tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14532623418231550392023-06-20T08:53:56.269-04:00Whence Upon a TimeTheories, predictions, reactions and commentary for ABC's show, "Once Upon a Time"Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07130370980787749356noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1453262341823155039.post-58278678990114111322012-05-04T14:10:00.001-04:002012-05-04T14:10:38.037-04:00Crafty carpenter<P>So a few things are now explained. We know who August is, and how he knows about fairy-tale land and the Saviour, and how he managed to get to the real world without his memories being affected.</P>
<P>But a few things aren't explained.</P>
<UL>
<LI>How does August know about the knife?
<LI>How does August know about being able to summon and bind the Dark One?
<LI>How does August know about Baelfire?
</UL>
<P>I can't imagine he could have found these things out while a puppet/boy in fairy-tale land, which means he must have found them out since coming through the tree. And that most likely means that <B>he's found Baelfire</B>.</P>
<P>Why Mr. Gold hasn't figured this out and tortured August until he revealed Bae's whereabouts is beyond me.</P>
<P>And while we're on the subject of Bae, let's speculate a bit about him. "Baelfire" is the name of the fire lit for the celebration of Beltane. The fire is apparently for <B>cleansing</B> and <B>blessings</B>. What if Bae is a key to breaking the curse? What if, possibly, his nature is so "cleansing" that his involvement can somehow bring everyone back to <I>before</I> the curse? Interesting thoughts.</P>
<P>Various rumours and promos reveal some upcoming tidbits:</P>
<UL>
<LI>Someone majorly shocking is going to die. A promo also shows Henry fainting, perhaps it's him? It looks like he might have been holding an apple - perhaps he accidentally ingested some poison that his mom had prepared for someone else?
<LI>Regina visits Charming in a dungeon and tells him that she has something even worse than death in mind for Snow White. It looks like she was hot for his bod even back at that point.
<LI>Looks like Snow, the dwarves, Granny and Red are going to try and break Charming out of prison. Red manages to find out that Regina is involved, and Snow White realises it's a trap. However, she doesn't care and is going to try and save Charming anyway.
<LI>When Red comes back to inform the group of this, she has (according to Grumpy) something on her face, which she immediately wipes away. I'm sure whatever it is will turn out to be an interesting part of the story.
<LI>During all this planning, Snow White reveals that she knows the Queen hates her because she (Snow) destroyed her (Regina's) happiness.
</UL>
<H3>Revised timeline:</H3>
<OL>
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin kills the Dark One and acquires magic and power.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin becomes increasingly nasty. His son Baelfire wishes that his father was no longer magic, and makes a deal with Rumpelstiltskin that if he finds a way to get rid of his father's magic, his father will do it.
<LI>Baelfire's friend Moraine tells him about the Rul Gorm/Blue Fairy. Baelfire summons her and she gives him a magic bean which will take him and his father to the real world, i.e. a place without magic, which will bring things back to normal for him and Rumpelstiltskin again
<LI>Baelfire fires up the bean's magic, creating a wormhole to the real world. Rumpelstiltskin chickens out at the last minute and abandons Baelfire to the wormhole. (Later in Storybrooke, Mr. Gold reveals that this is the only deal he has ever broken.) Rumpelstiltskin immediately regrets this decision and summons the Blue Fairy to try and fix things. However, there appears to be no other way to go through to the real world (although Rumpelstiltskin does get the idea from this conversation that perhaps it could be achieved through a curse requiring great sacrifice) and Rumpelstiltskin ends up blaming the Blue Fairy for the loss of his son. He also vows to devote his life and forego love until he gets his son back.
<LI>(This may happen before Baelfire leaves fairy-tale land, but I think it's more likely it happens after) Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with Jimminy and gives him turn-people-into-scary-ass-dolls potion. Said potion is accidentally used on Gepetto's parents; the Blue Fairy turns Jimminy into an immortal cricket and he becomes Gepetto's best friend.
<LI>Around this time (a little more than 60 years before the curse), Granny's father and brothers are slaughtered by a werewolf, who then bites Granny. Later, he returns and changes her into a werewolf. They marry, and go on to have a daughter who is also a werewolf. She is later killed by a hunting party, but not before she gives birth to Red, who starts becoming a werewolf at the full moon at the age of 13. From a wizard, Granny buys a red cloak that will prevent Red from changing into a werewolf. Also at some point, Granny's husband dies, as she is later referred to as "Widow Lucas". Granny's werewolfness eventually fades away, although she retains some things, like tracking ability (sense of smell).
<LI>Regina's mother, daughter of a miller, sacrifices a bunch of things to move from poverty to wealth. (This is probably the Rumpelstiltskin story, with Regina's mother as the miller's daughter. On the other hand, the miller's daughter in the story is supposed to marry a King, which Regina's father clearly isn't, so there's obviously more to the story that we'll probably find out about at some point.)
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with James' parents to take one of their twins as a son for King George in exchange for a farm
<LI>Snow White is born (I'm assuming this happens a bit after James is born.)
<LI>(This may happen before Snow White's birth) The summer palace is built for Snow White's mother
<LI>Snow White's mother dies.
<LI>Regina and Daniel fall in love.
<LI>Regina's mother spooks Snow White's horse to make it run wild, and Regina saves her. As a result, King Leopold proposes to Regina.
<LI>Regina and Daniel plan to run away together, and Snow White catches them kissing. Regina explains about true love and gets Snow White to promise not to tell anyone about Daniel.
<LI>Regina's mother, clearly suspecting something, manipulates Snow White into betraying Regina.
<LI>Regina's mother catches her and Daniel trying to run away together. She murders Daniel by taking out his heart and crushing it to dust.
<LI>Regina decides to marry King Leopold and discovers that Snow White betrayed her secret. She vows revenge and also figures out that her mother spooked Snow White's horse so that Regina would come to King Leopold's intention.
<LI>Regina marries King Leopold.
<LI>Regina's mother trains her up in magic.
<LI>At some point, Regina's mother must die (or be transformed, or have something happen to her that takes her out of the picture). Very possibly Regina is the architect of her mother's downfall.
<LI>(Not sure exactly where in the timeline this one goes, but this seems a good guess as it is supposed to occur one year before the Nova-and-Grumpy story) Fairy-godmother-in-training Nova accidentally spills some fairy dust, and it lands on a dwarf egg. The egg immediately hatches and the dwarf inside it is born prematurely, looking around for Nova, whose face he saw while inside the egg. He is informed by another dwarf, Bossy, that dwarves do not fall in love, and, along with his seven brothers (Happy, Doc, Dopey, Sneezy, Bashful, Sneaky and Sleepy) who hatch a little bit later, is given basic dwarf orientation before being given a pick-axe which christens him "Dreamy" and is then sent to mine diamonds and fairy dust.
<LI>Snow White's father finds the genie, frees him, and takes him back to his palace for yuks
<LI>The Evil Queen fools the genie into thinking she loves him, and (with her father's help) gets him to murder Snow White's father for her.
<LI>The genie finds out the Evil Queen is a lying liar who lies, and wishes himself into every mirror she looks into.
<LI>At some point after the genie is wished into the mirror, the Queen of Hearts kidnaps the Evil Queen's father and hides him in Wonderland. She cons the Mad Hatter into taking her into Wonderland to rescue her father, and then leaves the Mad Hatter there, thus leaving his daughter Grace fatherless.
<LI>Snow White realises that the Evil Queen is out to get her (since she seemed to be perfectly trusting of the Evil Queen earlier when she was mourning her dad, but knows the Evil Queen wants to kill her not too long after when the Huntsman takes her into the woods). Doubtless this involves her finding out that Daniel was killed and that it really was true love between him and Regina after all.
<LI>The Evil Queen tells the Huntsman to kill Snow White; instead, he MacGyvers a help-summoning whistle for her and lets her go
<LI>(This one might have happened <I>before</I> the Huntsman took Snow into the woods, but given that there was a vengeance associated with Snow White using the powder that we didn't see when she was writing the letter to the Evil Queen before the Huntsman caught up with her in the woods, I would guess it happens at this stage of the story instead:) Snow White somehow acquires magic insect powder
<LI>Snow White starts living rough in the woods; in the winter she hides out one night in Granny and Red's barn during the full moon and is found by Red the next morning. Also that morning, Red and Snow discover that the wolf has massacred a bunch of men who were trying to kill it.
<LI>Red tells Snow White about the man she loves (Peter), and they decide to track the wolf during the daytime. Red turns out to be a fabulous tracker. The wolf tracks turn into boot tracks and lead to Red's window. Red and Snow White conclude that the wolf is a werewolf and that in its human form, it's Peter.
<LI>Snow and Red switch cloaks so that Red can warn Peter and chain him to a tree to keep him from killing or being killed
<LI>Granny discovers the ruse and confesses that the werewolf is actually Red and that the red cloak stops her from turning; Granny and Snow run out to find Red, but she is already munching on Peter. Granny drops the werewolf with a silver-tipped arrow and Snow throws the red cloak over her to change her back into Red. As the huntsmen close in, Snow spirits Red away, leaving Granny to face the music. (She obviously ends up okay, since she and Red are reunited in Prince Charming's castle.)
<LI>Snow White starts stealing gold and whatnot. (She seems to have picked up some badassery from Granny.) At some point after Snow White starts roughing it, Red seems to regularly bring helpful supplies to Snow White.
<LI>James' twin brother is killed trying to impress Midas.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with King George to get James for him to replace the dead twin.
<LI>Presumably around this time, King George tells Rumpelstiltskin the location of Cinderella's fairy godmother as payment for getting James for him. At some point thereafter, Rumpelstiltskin poofs said fairy godmother, takes control of her wand, and gets Cinderella to agree to giving him her first-born son in exchange for prettying her up and getting her to the ball.
<LI>James kills a dragon and gets engaged to Abigail
<LI>James sees his mother for the last time and gets her lucky ring to give to his future wife
<LI>As James is making his way back from Midas' kingdom to his own, Snow ambushes his carriage and makes off with his mother's special ring. After a series of madcap adventures together, during which she uses up her insect powder, she gives him back his ring and they go their separate ways.
<LI>Snow White and James can't stop thinking about each other.
<LI>Snow White gets a forgetfulness potion from Rumpelstiltskin in exchange for some strands of her hair.
<LI>James sends Snow White her a letter by dove professing his love.
<LI>The Evil Queen kidnaps Hansel and Gretel's father and sends Hansel and Gretel to the blind witch's house to steal the poisoned apple
<LI>Hansel and Gretel deliver the apple to the Evil Queen and she offers to adopt them as her children. They refuse, and she casts them out into the forest.
<LI>(This part and the rest of the Belle story and the Grumpy-and-Nova story may actually take place earlier, but this placement seems as good a spot as any; I'll certainly move it if more information comes up that makes its placement more specific) The Ogre Wars are going extremely badly for some mayor guy. He makes a deal with Rumpelstiltskin to solve his ogre problem, in return for which his daughter Belle agrees to be Rumpelstiltskin's servant for life.
<LI>Belle gets to know Rumpelstiltskin and starts bringing him out of his shell. In the process, she chips one of his teacups. She also discovers that he had a son, but fails miserably to get him to ever talk about it. Chemistry between the two of them builds. At one point, Belle's old fiancé tries to "rescue" her, but Rumpelstiltskin turns him into a rose and gives it to Belle, who reveals that her betrothal was purely for political reasons. Eventually, Rumpelstiltskin sends Belle to market for him, fully believing she'll take advantage of this freedom to escape.
<LI>On the road to or from the market, Belle meets up with the Evil Queen, who tells her that true love's kiss breaks any curse.
<LI>Belle goes back to Rumpelstiltskin (which surprises the hell out of him) and kisses him. This makes Rumpelstiltskin start to change back into human form; he freaks out (because this will mean the end of his plans to get his son back) and thus stops the transformation. Belle triumphantly tells him about true love's kiss and he freaks out even more. He knows that the Evil Queen is behind this (wanting to eliminate his powers so she will have less magical competition, according to him) and believes that Belle is also out to get him. He has a tremendously impressive temper tantrum and kicks her out of his castle for good.
<LI>About a year after his birth, Dreamy sees Nova and they have instant chemistry. Nova asks Grumpy out on a date to see fireflies, which he doesn't recognize as a come-on.
<LI>Belle, drowning her sorrows over Rumpelstiltskin in drink, meets up with Dreamy at a bar and gives him a clue-by-four upside the head that he's in love and that Nova was actually asking him out.
<LI>Nova arranges for a boat so she and Dreamy can sail around the world.
<LI>Dreamy sneaks out to run away with Nova but is waylaid at the last minute by the Blue Fairy and Bossy, who convince him to forget being with Nova.
<LI>Dreamy meets up with Nova, who shows him the boat. He dumps her and heads back to the mine, where he is re-named Grumpy.
<LI>(This part may happen a bit later) For some reason, the dwarves stop living in the mines underground and start living in a cottage in the woods
<LI>(This part may happen before Belle meets Dreamy in the bar, it's not clear) The Evil Queen pays a visit to Rumpelstiltskin following his rejection of Belle and tells him (lying, obviously, but Rumpelstiltskin believes her) that Belle's been cast out by her father and killed. Rumpelstiltskin is devastated.
<LI>(This part may happen at any point between now and the Curse) Something happens to Belle in fairytale land which causes her to end up in a secret psych ward in the Storybrooke hospital once the Curse is enacted.
<LI>Grumpy is cast into King George's dungeon for some reason.
<LI>Snow White shows up at King George's palace and is captured, meeting Grumpy in a dungeon. Stealthy breaks them out and is killed trying to escape. Snow White saves Grumpy and meets with King George. King George tells Snow White to tell James she doesn't love him, and lets her in on the fact that James is not really his son. Snow accordingly breaks James' heart and leaves the castle.
<LI>The seven dwarves meet up with Snow as she leaves the castle and convince her not to use the forgetfulness potion immediately. This scene is viewed by the Evil Queen in her magic mirror.
<LI>The Evil Queen speaks to Hansel and Gretel's father and discovers that the secret of their happiness is the bond of being a family
<LI>(This could have happened earlier or later than this point, but I'm sticking it in here for convenience) The Evil Queen acquires the curse from Rumpelstiltskin (doubtless in a deal of some kind) and eventually trades it to Malificent in exchange for a poison to kill Snow White.
<LI>Abigail tells James about her past love, Frederick. James battles the siren of Lake Nostos. This allows Abigail to free Frederick and motivates James to try and win Snow White's love.
<LI>It becomes general knowledge that James and Abigail's engagement is off.
<LI>James goes to some woodland area trying to find Snow White. (I guess a little bird must have told him to go there.) Red Riding Hood tells him she's gone. King George, furious over the broken engagement, shows up with his posse and tries to kill James, who grabs Red Riding Hood and flees on horseback. Pursuit ensues.
<LI>James and Red manage to elude King George's men for a time, but are found after they make camp. To give James a headstart, Red tells him to go on alone and then, because there is a full moon, takes off her hood so she can fursplode and attack the soldiers. At least one survives as we see him later on with nasty scratches all over his face; it is not known whether Red escapes or is captured.
<LI>Snow White, however, has already taken the forgetfulness potion.
<LI>Unfortunately, this has the side effect of turning her into a right royal bitch. With the help of Jiminy Cricket, the dwarves stage an intervention to try and get her to be nice again, but only succeed in motivating her to kill the Evil Queen in cold blood.
<LI>Snow White waylays one of the Evil Queen's knights and finds out that the Evil Queen will soon be travelling to the summer palace.
<LI>Grumpy convinces Snow White to get help from Rumpelstiltskin
<LI>James happens upon the waylaid guardsman and finds out that Snow White will be trying to kill the Evil Queen on the way to the summer palace
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin says he can't bring back Snow White's personality or memories, but does, over Grumpy's objections, give her a bow and arrow to help her kill the Evil Queen with ("An arrow fired from this bow will give you exactly what you need. It always finds its target!")
<LI>James goes to Rumpelstiltskin to find out what's going on with Snow White. Rumpelstiltskin reveals that she took a forgetfulness potion which changed her. True love's kiss, however, will of course cure her. Rumpelstiltskin tells James where she is in exchange for James' cloak, and warns James that if Snow succeeds in killing the Evil Queen, she'll become as evil as her and James will never get her back.
<LI>James catches up to Snow White and kisses her without any effect whatsoever. Enraged, she decks him, knocks him out and ties him to a tree. She then tries to assassinate the Evil Queen, but James, freed by Jiminy Cricket, jumps in front of her arrow in order to save her from evil. Touched by his sacrifice for her, she kisses him and remembers everything.
<LI>Unfortunately, it's at this point that King George's soldiers catch up to James. They stuff him in a wheeled cage and take him away, leaving Snow White vowing to find him.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin combines Snow White's hair with James' hair (which he tweezed off the cloak) and actually manages to bottle love. ("If you can bottle love, you can do anything.")
<LI>At some point, Snow White must rescue James. Given that they're not killed, they must work it out somehow so that James can end up marrying Snow White and still have a castle to live in - clearly that's a story in itself.
<LI>Snow White is poisoned by the Evil Queen, put into a coffin, and is brought back to life by a kiss from James
<LI>Snow White and James get married (she would have been given his mother's ring by this time); during the wedding, the Evil Queen threatens everyone with the curse
<LI>Cinderella and Thomas get married
<LI>Snow White gets pregnant
<LI>Cinderella gets pregnant
<LI>(This might have happened before Snow White and/or Cinderella got pregnant, or after Rumpelstiltskin is captured, it's not clear:) The Evil Queen steals the curse back from her buddy Maleficent and tries it with no effect
<LI>Cinderella, Thomas, and James conspire to imprison Rumpelstiltskin; Thomas disappears
<LI>(This occurs at some point before Snow and James' war council) The Blue Fairy turns Pinocchio into a real boy
<LI>While pregnant, Snow freaks out about the Evil Queen's threat; she and James visit Rumpelstiltskin and find out that their daughter will be the saviour in exchange for telling Rumpelstiltskin the baby's name
<LI>The Blue Fairy goes to Gepetto, tells him that the curse is coming, and asks him to convert the last magical tree in the land (a tree similar to the one Pinocchio was made out of) into a transportation vessel (wardrobe). It can only hold two, so the pregnant Snow White and James will go through in order to preserve and raise the saviour. Out of fear for what will become of Pinocchio when the curse takes effect, Gepetto refuses unless Pinocchio can have one of the spots in the wardrobe. The deal is struck: Snow and James will be told that the wardrobe can only take one person; Gepetto will build the wardrobe; and Pinocchio will secretly go through it to safety.
<LI>James holds a council with the dwarves, Granny, Red, Gepetto, Pinocchio and Snow White to discuss what to do about the curse. The Blue Fairy appears and presents the tree wardrobe plan.
<LI>The Evil Queen visits Rumpelstiltskin to find out why his curse is a dud and, in exchange for a promise of being rich post-curse and the Evil Queen having to do anything he asks if he says please, he tells her that she needs to sacrifice the thing she loves most; she also discovers that the curse can be undone by Snow's baby
<LI>The Evil Queen offs her dad
<LI>The Evil Queen successfully enacts the curse as Snow White is in labour
<LI>The Blue Fairy tells Gepetto that Snow White is having the baby early and that Pinocchio can now no longer take a spot in the tree wardrobe since Snow White has to go through with the baby after its birth. She has to do some pre-curse preparations with the other fairies, so she charges Gepetto to tell Snow White about all this.
<LI>Gepetto takes advantage of the situation to send Pinocchio through anyway; he makes Pinocchio promise to protect the baby and tell her what she needs to do as she grows up.
<LI>Pinocchio goes through the wardrobe.
<LI>Emma is born; Gepetto tells Snow and James that the wardrobe is ready; James sends Emma to safety via the enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>In the real world, Pinocchio retrieves Emma from the tree and takes her to a diner where the authorities are obviously contacted and both children are taken into custody and found foster care
<LI>The Evil Queen arrives at James' palace, although not in time to grab the baby, and laughs maniacally as the curse takes effect
<LI>Everyone in the fairy tale world is sent to Storybrook and time stops for them
<LI>While Emma is still a fairly new baby, Pinocchio has the opportunity to escape their very unpleasant foster home. He does so, with apologies to baby Emma.
<LI>Around age 18, Emma gets knocked up with Henry. The father is likely a married man.
<LI>At some point during the pregnancy, Emma is sent to jail.
<LI>Henry is born in jail. Emma decides to give him up for adoption. At the same time, Regina decides she wants to adopt a baby. Rumplestiltskin is the gobetween and somehow acquires Emma's baby for Regina in exchange for an unknown favour from Regina.
<LI>Over the next ten years, Henry is presumably the only person in storybrook who ages, since he was a baby when he got there and a ten-year-old ten years later. Given that Cinderella's pregnancy never advances in the 28 years when Storybrook time is frozen, and given that Hansel and Gretel are the same age they were when Emma comes to town as they were when the curse took effect, none of the Storybrook people can have children during the time freeze, nor would the Storybrook children ever age. This would probably be very conclusive proof for Henry that things are majorly effed up in his home town; why he never points this out to Emma or anyone as proof that he's not delusional is beyond me.
</OL>Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07130370980787749356noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1453262341823155039.post-71216797254391729792012-04-26T14:57:00.000-04:002012-04-26T14:57:00.329-04:00Wood you lie to me<P>Okay, so the preview for next show, "The Return", shows a quick clip of what looks like Pinocchio, in fairy-tale land, getting zapped by some kind of power from the tree that he and Gepetto are preparing for Emma.</P>
<P>What if the tree, during its conversion to a transport system, somehow absorbs Pinocchio's nose-grows-if-he-lies abilities and passes some of it on to Emma when she goes through to the real world? <B>Is that why she has a lie-detecting superpower?</B></P>
<P>More wild theories - I've seen other people theorizing on discussion boards that August is Pinocchio. If we consider that something went wrong while Pinocchio and Gepetto were preparing the tree for Emma, this could well be possible - maybe Pinocchio was transported by accident to the real world? Maybe that's how the tree absorbed his nose-grows-if-he-lies powers to later pass onto Emma when she went through? Maybe this is how August avoided the curse and retained his memories? (Although that still wouldn't explain how he knows about Baelfire and Rumpelstiltskin's knife. But it would explain how he knows about the Saviour.) Maybe going through the tree prematurely is what made August sick?</P>
<P>This theory would certainly fit with August's apparent age - Pinocchio looked about seven when the curse was imminent, plus twenty-eight years in the real world would make him thirty-five...yeah, August could pass for thirty-five.</P>
<P>And here's another what-if...what if August/Pinocchio was the kid who found Emma on the side of the road when she came through? This would give them that "history together" thing that August kind of let slip in a previous episode, and which Emma looked confused about.</P>Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07130370980787749356noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1453262341823155039.post-53819531746065133102012-04-25T11:47:00.000-04:002012-04-25T11:50:45.103-04:00Papa, can you hear me<P>Wow, Regina has some serious manipulation skillz. Poor Sidney.</P>
<P>At any rate, we have a few mysteries solved. Rumpelstiltskin's enduring hatred of fairies (and, by extension, fairy godmothers, which I guess is why he offed Cinderella's benefactoress) is because he blames them for the loss of his son. (Although the Blue Fairy hit the nail on the head when she told him that he drove Baelfire away. He's just too angry to accept that explanation.) And we know why he created The Curse and manipulated Regina into enacting it. And we now know that Rumpelstiltskin rejected true love with Belle (with insane fury, no less) because being "cured" of his magic would ruin all his plans for getting Bae back.</P>
<P>However, we are still left with the question "Who the hell is August?" Only now, the question is even more complicated. He's someone from fairy-tale land who somehow escaped the curse AND knows about the Dark One AND knows about the knife AND knows about the Saviour, AND somehow got fatally sick. How is any of this even <I>possible</I>?</P>
<P>I have no clue. Seriously, I am completely theory-less on this one.</P>
<P>The other question we have left is, where the hell is Baelfire? Rumpelstiltskin talked about him crossing time and space, so presumably he could not only be any place in the real world, he could be any <I>age</I>, from fourteen on up. Or he could be dead.</P>
<P>And presumably, Mr. Gold has been looking for him in the real world this whole time. I'm guessing that's how he ran across Emma having Henry, through his investigations into his son's whereabouts?</P>
<H3>Revised timeline:</H3>
<OL>
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin kills the Dark One and acquires magic and power.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin becomes increasingly nasty. His son Baelfire wishes that his father was no longer magic, and makes a deal with Rumpelstiltskin that if he finds a way to get rid of his father's magic, his father will do it.
<LI>Baelfire's friend Moraine tells him about the Rul Gorm/Blue Fairy. Baelfire summons her and she gives him a magic bean which will take him and his father to the real world, i.e. a place without magic, which will bring things back to normal for him and Rumpelstiltskin again
<LI>Baelfire fires up the bean's magic, creating a wormhole to the real world. Rumpelstiltskin chickens out at the last minute and abandons Baelfire to the wormhole. (Later in Storybrooke, Mr. Gold reveals that this is the only deal he has ever broken.) Rumpelstiltskin immediately regrets this decision and summons the Blue Fairy to try and fix things. However, there appears to be no other way to go through to the real world (although Rumpelstiltskin does get the idea from this conversation that perhaps it could be achieved through a curse requiring great sacrifice) and Rumpelstiltskin ends up blaming the Blue Fairy for the loss of his son. He also vows to devote his life and forego love until he gets his son back.
<LI>(This may happen before Baelfire leaves fairy-tale land, but I think it's more likely it happens after) Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with Jimminy and gives him turn-people-into-scary-ass-dolls potion. Said potion is accidentally used on Gepetto's parents; the Blue Fairy turns Jimminy into an immortal cricket and he becomes Gepetto's best friend.
<LI>Around this time (a little more than 60 years before the curse), Granny's father and brothers are slaughtered by a werewolf, who then bites Granny. Later, he returns and changes her into a werewolf. They marry, and go on to have a daughter who is also a werewolf. She is later killed by a hunting party, but not before she gives birth to Red, who starts becoming a werewolf at the full moon at the age of 13. From a wizard, Granny buys a red cloak that will prevent Red from changing into a werewolf. Also at some point, Granny's husband dies, as she is later referred to as "Widow Lucas". Granny's werewolfness eventually fades away, although she retains some things, like tracking ability (sense of smell).
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with James' parents to take one of their twins as a son for King George in exchange for a farm
<LI>The Evil Queen has love and loses it because of Snow White not being able to keep a secret (possibly Snow's father is responsible as well)
<LI>(This may occur somewhat earlier in the timeline) The summer palace is built for Snow White's mother
<LI>The Evil Queen marries Snow White's father
<LI>(Not sure exactly where in the timeline this one goes, but this seems a good guess as it is supposed to occur one year before the Nova-and-Grumpy story) Fairy-godmother-in-training Nova accidentally spills some fairy dust, and it lands on a dwarf egg. The egg immediately hatches and the dwarf inside it is born prematurely, looking around for Nova, whose face he saw while inside the egg. He is informed by another dwarf, Bossy, that dwarves do not fall in love, and, along with his seven brothers (Happy, Doc, Dopey, Sneezy, Bashful, Sneaky and Sleepy) who hatch a little bit later, is given basic dwarf orientation before being given a pick-axe which christens him "Dreamy" and is then sent to mine diamonds and fairy dust.
<LI>Snow White's father finds the genie, frees him, and takes him back to his palace for yuks
<LI>The Evil Queen fools the genie into thinking she loves him, and (with her father's help) gets him to murder Snow White's father for her.
<LI>The genie finds out the Evil Queen is a lying liar who lies, and wishes himself into every mirror she looks into.
<LI>At some point after the genie is wished into the mirror, the Queen of Hearts kidnaps the Evil Queen's father and hides him in Wonderland. She cons the Mad Hatter into taking her into Wonderland to rescue her father, and then leaves the Mad Hatter there, thus leaving his daughter Grace fatherless.
<LI>Snow White realises that the Evil Queen is out to get her (since she seemed to be perfectly trusting of the Evil Queen earlier when she was mourning her dad, but knows the Evil Queen wants to kill her not too long after when the Huntsman takes her into the woods)
<LI>The Evil Queen tells the Huntsman to kill Snow White; instead, he MacGyvers a help-summoning whistle for her and lets her go
<LI>(This one might have happened <I>before</I> the Huntsman took Snow into the woods, but given that there was a vengeance associated with Snow White using the powder that we didn't see when she was writing the letter to the Evil Queen before the Huntsman caught up with her in the woods, I would guess it happens at this stage of the story instead:) Snow White somehow acquires magic insect powder
<LI>Snow White starts living rough in the woods; in the winter she hides out one night in Granny and Red's barn during the full moon and is found by Red the next morning. Also that morning, Red and Snow discover that the wolf has massacred a bunch of men who were trying to kill it.
<LI>Red tells Snow White about the man she loves (Peter), and they decide to track the wolf during the daytime. Red turns out to be a fabulous tracker. The wolf tracks turn into boot tracks and lead to Red's window. Red and Snow White conclude that the wolf is a werewolf and that in its human form, it's Peter.
<LI>Snow and Red switch cloaks so that Red can warn Peter and chain him to a tree to keep him from killing or being killed
<LI>Granny discovers the ruse and confesses that the werewolf is actually Red and that the red cloak stops her from turning; Granny and Snow run out to find Red, but she is already munching on Peter. Granny drops the werewolf with a silver-tipped arrow and Snow throws the red cloak over her to change her back into Red. As the huntsmen close in, Snow spirits Red away, leaving Granny to face the music. (She obviously ends up okay, since she and Red are reunited in Prince Charming's castle.)
<LI>Snow White starts stealing gold and whatnot. (She seems to have picked up some badassery from Granny.) At some point after Snow White starts roughing it, Red seems to regularly bring helpful supplies to Snow White.
<LI>James' twin brother is killed trying to impress Midas.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with King George to get James for him to replace the dead twin.
<LI>Presumably around this time, King George tells Rumpelstiltskin the location of Cinderella's fairy godmother as payment for getting James for him. At some point thereafter, Rumpelstiltskin poofs said fairy godmother, takes control of her wand, and gets Cinderella to agree to giving him her first-born son in exchange for prettying her up and getting her to the ball.
<LI>James kills a dragon and gets engaged to Abigail
<LI>James sees his mother for the last time and gets her lucky ring to give to his future wife
<LI>As James is making his way back from Midas' kingdom to his own, Snow ambushes his carriage and makes off with his mother's special ring. After a series of madcap adventures together, during which she uses up her insect powder, she gives him back his ring and they go their separate ways.
<LI>Snow White and James can't stop thinking about each other.
<LI>Snow White gets a forgetfulness potion from Rumpelstiltskin in exchange for some strands of her hair.
<LI>James sends Snow White her a letter by dove professing his love.
<LI>The Evil Queen kidnaps Hansel and Gretel's father and sends Hansel and Gretel to the blind witch's house to steal the poisoned apple
<LI>Hansel and Gretel deliver the apple to the Evil Queen and she offers to adopt them as her children. They refuse, and she casts them out into the forest.
<LI>(This part and the rest of the Belle story and the Grumpy-and-Nova story may actually take place earlier, but this placement seems as good a spot as any; I'll certainly move it if more information comes up that makes its placement more specific) The Ogre Wars are going extremely badly for some mayor guy. He makes a deal with Rumpelstiltskin to solve his ogre problem, in return for which his daughter Belle agrees to be Rumpelstiltskin's servant for life.
<LI>Belle gets to know Rumpelstiltskin and starts bringing him out of his shell. In the process, she chips one of his teacups. She also discovers that he had a son, but fails miserably to get him to ever talk about it. Chemistry between the two of them builds. At one point, Belle's old fiancé tries to "rescue" her, but Rumpelstiltskin turns him into a rose and gives it to Belle, who reveals that her betrothal was purely for political reasons. Eventually, Rumpelstiltskin sends Belle to market for him, fully believing she'll take advantage of this freedom to escape.
<LI>On the road to or from the market, Belle meets up with the Evil Queen, who tells her that true love's kiss breaks any curse.
<LI>Belle goes back to Rumpelstiltskin (which surprises the hell out of him) and kisses him. This makes Rumpelstiltskin start to change back into human form; he freaks out (because this will mean the end of his plans to get his son back) and thus stops the transformation. Belle triumphantly tells him about true love's kiss and he freaks out even more. He knows that the Evil Queen is behind this (wanting to eliminate his powers so she will have less magical competition, according to him) and believes that Belle is also out to get him. He has a tremendously impressive temper tantrum and kicks her out of his castle for good.
<LI>About a year after his birth, Dreamy sees Nova and they have instant chemistry. Nova asks Grumpy out on a date to see fireflies, which he doesn't recognize as a come-on.
<LI>Belle, drowning her sorrows over Rumpelstiltskin in drink, meets up with Dreamy at a bar and gives him a clue-by-four upside the head that he's in love and that Nova was actually asking him out.
<LI>Nova arranges for a boat so she and Dreamy can sail around the world.
<LI>Dreamy sneaks out to run away with Nova but is waylaid at the last minute by the Blue Fairy and Bossy, who convince him to forget being with Nova.
<LI>Dreamy meets up with Nova, who shows him the boat. He dumps her and heads back to the mine, where he is re-named Grumpy.
<LI>(This part may happen a bit later) For some reason, the dwarves stop living in the mines underground and start living in a cottage in the woods
<LI>(This part may happen before Belle meets Dreamy in the bar, it's not clear) The Evil Queen pays a visit to Rumpelstiltskin following his rejection of Belle and tells him (lying, obviously, but Rumpelstiltskin believes her) that Belle's been cast out by her father and killed. Rumpelstiltskin is devastated.
<LI>(This part may happen at any point between now and the Curse) Something happens to Belle in fairytale land which causes her to end up in a secret psych ward in the Storybrooke hospital once the Curse is enacted.
<LI>Grumpy is cast into King George's dungeon for some reason.
<LI>Snow White shows up at King George's palace and is captured, meeting Grumpy in a dungeon. Stealthy breaks them out and is killed trying to escape. Snow White saves Grumpy and meets with King George. King George tells Snow White to tell James she doesn't love him, and lets her in on the fact that James is not really his son. Snow accordingly breaks James' heart and leaves the castle.
<LI>The seven dwarves meet up with Snow as she leaves the castle and convince her not to use the forgetfulness potion immediately. This scene is viewed by the Evil Queen in her magic mirror.
<LI>The Evil Queen speaks to Hansel and Gretel's father and discovers that the secret of their happiness is the bond of being a family
<LI>(This could have happened earlier or later than this point, but I'm sticking it in here for convenience) The Evil Queen acquires the curse from Rumpelstiltskin (doubtless in a deal of some kind) and eventually trades it to Malificent in exchange for a poison to kill Snow White.
<LI>Abigail tells James about her past love, Frederick. James battles the siren of Lake Nostos. This allows Abigail to free Frederick and motivates James to try and win Snow White's love.
<LI>It becomes general knowledge that James and Abigail's engagement is off.
<LI>James goes to some woodland area trying to find Snow White. (I guess a little bird must have told him to go there.) Red Riding Hood tells him she's gone. King George, furious over the broken engagement, shows up with his posse and tries to kill James, who grabs Red Riding Hood and flees on horseback. Pursuit ensues.
<LI>James and Red manage to elude King George's men for a time, but are found after they make camp. To give James a headstart, Red tells him to go on alone and then, because there is a full moon, takes off her hood so she can fursplode and attack the soldiers. At least one survives as we see him later on with nasty scratches all over his face; it is not known whether Red escapes or is captured.
<LI>Snow White, however, has already taken the forgetfulness potion.
<LI>Unfortunately, this has the side effect of turning her into a right royal bitch. With the help of Jiminy Cricket, the dwarves stage an intervention to try and get her to be nice again, but only succeed in motivating her to kill the Evil Queen in cold blood.
<LI>Snow White waylays one of the Evil Queen's knights and finds out that the Evil Queen will soon be travelling to the summer palace.
<LI>Grumpy convinces Snow White to get help from Rumpelstiltskin
<LI>James happens upon the waylaid guardsman and finds out that Snow White will be trying to kill the Evil Queen on the way to the summer palace
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin says he can't bring back Snow White's personality or memories, but does, over Grumpy's objections, give her a bow and arrow to help her kill the Evil Queen with ("An arrow fired from this bow will give you exactly what you need. It always finds its target!")
<LI>James goes to Rumpelstiltskin to find out what's going on with Snow White. Rumpelstiltskin reveals that she took a forgetfulness potion which changed her. True love's kiss, however, will of course cure her. Rumpelstiltskin tells James where she is in exchange for James' cloak, and warns James that if Snow succeeds in killing the Evil Queen, she'll become as evil as her and James will never get her back.
<LI>James catches up to Snow White and kisses her without any effect whatsoever. Enraged, she decks him, knocks him out and ties him to a tree. She then tries to assassinate the Evil Queen, but James, freed by Jiminy Cricket, jumps in front of her arrow in order to save her from evil. Touched by his sacrifice for her, she kisses him and remembers everything.
<LI>Unfortunately, it's at this point that King George's soldiers catch up to James. They stuff him in a wheeled cage and take him away, leaving Snow White vowing to find him.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin combines Snow White's hair with James' hair (which he tweezed off the cloak) and actually manages to bottle love. ("If you can bottle love, you can do anything.")
<LI>At some point, Snow White must rescue James. Given that they're not killed, they must work it out somehow so that James can end up marrying Snow White and still have a castle to live in - clearly that's a story in itself.
<LI>Snow White is poisoned by the Evil Queen, put into a coffin, and is brought back to life by a kiss from James
<LI>Snow White and James get married (she would have been given his mother's ring by this time); during the wedding, the Evil Queen threatens everyone with the curse
<LI>Cinderella and Thomas get married
<LI>Snow White gets pregnant
<LI>Cinderella gets pregnant
<LI>(This might have happened before Snow White and/or Cinderella got pregnant, or after Rumpelstiltskin is captured, it's not clear:) The Evil Queen steals the curse back from her buddy Maleficent and tries it with no effect
<LI>Cinderella, Thomas, and James conspire to imprison Rumpelstiltskin; Thomas disappears
<LI>While pregnant, Snow freaks out about the Evil Queen's threat; she and James visit Rumpelstiltskin and find out that their daughter will be the saviour in exchange for telling Rumpelstiltskin the baby's name, and then plans begin to send Snow away from the curse via an enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen visits Rumpelstiltskin to find out why his curse is a dud and, in exchange for a promise of being rich post-curse and the Evil Queen having to do anything he asks if he says please, he tells her that she needs to sacrifice the thing she loves most; she also discovers that the curse can be undone by Snow's baby
<LI>The Evil Queen offs her dad
<LI>The Evil Queen successfully enacts the curse as Snow White is in labour
<LI>Emma is born; James sends her to safety via the enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen arrives at James' palace, although not in time to grab the baby, and laughs maniacally as the curse takes effect
<LI>Everyone in the fairy tale world is sent to Storybrook and time stops for them
<LI>Around age 18, Emma gets knocked up with Henry. The father is likely a married man.
<LI>At some point during the pregnancy, Emma is sent to jail.
<LI>Henry is born in jail. Emma decides to give him up for adoption. At the same time, Regina decides she wants to adopt a baby. Rumplestiltskin is the gobetween and somehow acquires Emma's baby for Regina in exchange for an unknown favour from Regina.
<LI>Over the next ten years, Henry is presumably the only person in storybrook who ages, since he was a baby when he got there and a ten-year-old ten years later. Given that Cinderella's pregnancy never advances in the 28 years when Storybrook time is frozen, and given that Hansel and Gretel are the same age they were when Emma comes to town as they were when the curse took effect, none of the Storybrook people can have children during the time freeze, nor would the Storybrook children ever age. This would probably be very conclusive proof for Henry that things are majorly effed up in his home town; why he never points this out to Emma or anyone as proof that he's not delusional is beyond me.
</OL>Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07130370980787749356noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1453262341823155039.post-91075331185513782182012-04-22T11:52:00.000-04:002012-04-22T11:52:08.215-04:00Queen of Wonderland theories<P>So if the identity of the Queen of Wonderland was not something Surprising and Deeply Significant, they wouldn't have hidden her face. Who, then, could it be? I see three possibilities:</P>
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<LI>She's a copy of Regina<BR>
This is suggested by the fact that a) the Queen of Wonderland had a vault very much like Regina's vault of hearts, and b) that she didn't want to hear Regina being referred to as the real Queen (in an "<I>I'm</I> the real Regina!" sort of thing).<BR><BR>
<LI>She's Regina's mother<BR>
Regina's mother doesn't show up in the most recent fairy-tale land stories, and we know that Regina resents her deeply (hey, who wouldn't), so odds are that Regina must have gotten rid of her somehow after they all moved to King Leopold's castle. On the other hand, Regina's mother is magic and therefore probably doesn't get killed off very easily; perhaps Regina got rid of her by banishing her to Wonderland? Which would also explain why Regina doesn't want to meet up with the Queen in Wonderland, and also wants to hightail it out of Wonderland as quickly as possible.<BR><BR>
<LI>She's Snow White's mother<BR>
Could Regina's mother have had an even wider-ranging plan for her daughter than we thought? That not only did she arrange for Snow White's horse to spook at the right moment for Regina to save her and come to the notice of King Leopold; but that she also got rid of Snow White's mother in the first place? And not by killing her (although her husband and daughter obviously were made to think she died) but by banishing her to Wonderland? This would explain the Queen of Wonderland's refusal to hear Regina being referred to as the real Queen, because obviously Snow White's mother's rightful place is as Queen back in fairy-tale land.
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<P>The speaking-through-a-horn thing is weird, too. Maybe, whoever the Queen of Wonderland actually is - was damaged in some way and now her voice doesn't work properly? Perhaps she was burned, so that her face is hideous (hence the veil) and her larynx was fried so she can only whisper?</P>
<P>Just some thoughts!</P>Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07130370980787749356noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1453262341823155039.post-44872212415735511472012-04-02T14:15:00.000-04:002012-04-02T14:15:01.984-04:00Unstable relationships<P>Oh, <I>sweet</I>.</P>
<P>Okay, items of interest:</P>
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<LI>I am getting more and more intrigued and confused as to who August really is. Clearly there's some sort of important connection between him and Emma that he knows about and she doesn't. There was that one scene where he was appealing to her faith in him and everything they'd shared together, and she looked confused, and then he clearly got a, "Oh, wait, that's right...she doesn't know all our history together" look on his face. WHO IS HE?!? There's lots of speculation on Teh Internets that he's Henry from the future, but then other people have pointed out that there's too much of a romantic chemistry between him and Emma for that to be the case (which I actually don't agree with), and also that Henry's eyes are a different colour from August's. That aside, though, so far, I'm thinking the August-is-Henry theory is looking pretty good.<BR><BR>
<LI>SO relieved that they found Kathryn. For one thing, I hated the thought that she was dead, and for another thing, Mary Margaret can hardly be tried for the murder of someone who's alive, can she. :) The question is, how did the DNA test on the heart come back to Kathryn? Is it because the Evil Queen had taken her heart in fairy tale land and then gotten it out of her vault in Storybrooke to frame Mary Margaret with? (Thus meaning that the DNA tests were accurate.) Or, did Regina use a different heart and somehow screw with the DNA tests?<BR><BR>
<LI>Also, why are we suddenly seeing Kathryn now? If she wasn't really dead, don't you think Regina would have made damn sure that she stayed hidden? Is bringing Kathryn back out into public Mr. Gold's way of "working a little magic"?<BR><BR>
<LI>Will Kathryn actually be able to remember anything of her ordeal?<BR><BR>
<LI>Holy CRAP they got a good match to play wee Snow White! Not only did they find a girl who looked like Ginnifer Goodwin, but that child managed to get so many of Mary Margaret's/adult Snow White's mannerisms down pat. Bravo. Really well done.<BR><BR>
<LI>I'm guessing that as part of her revenge, the first person the Evil Queen will off once she comes into her magical powers is her mom. What a biotch. And how truly stupid of her to blame Snow White for all her problems instead of her mother, who So Obviously manipulated Snow White into telling the secret.
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<H3>Revised timeline:</H3>
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<LI>Rumpelstiltskin kills the Dark One and acquires magic and power.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with Jimminy and gives him turn-people-into-scary-ass-dolls potion. Said potion is accidentally used on Gepetto's parents; the Blue Fairy turns Jimminy into an immortal cricket and he becomes Gepetto's best friend.
<LI>Around this time (a little more than 60 years before the curse), Granny's father and brothers are slaughtered by a werewolf, who then bites Granny. Later, he returns and changes her into a werewolf. They marry, and go on to have a daughter who is also a werewolf. She is later killed by a hunting party, but not before she gives birth to Red, who starts becoming a werewolf at the full moon at the age of 13. From a wizard, Granny buys a red cloak that will prevent Red from changing into a werewolf. Also at some point, Granny's husband dies, as she is later referred to as "Widow Lucas". Granny's werewolfness eventually fades away, although she retains some things, like tracking ability (sense of smell).
<LI>Regina's mother, daughter of a miller, sacrifices a bunch of things to move from poverty to wealth. (This is probably the Rumpelstiltskin story, with Regina's mother as the miller's daughter. On the other hand, the miller's daughter in the story is supposed to marry a King, which Regina's father clearly isn't, so there's obviously more to the story that we'll probably find out about at some point.)
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with James' parents to take one of their twins as a son for King George in exchange for a farm
<LI>Snow White is born (I'm assuming this happens a bit after James is born.)
<LI>(This may happen before Snow White's birth) The summer palace is built for Snow White's mother
<LI>Snow White's mother dies.
<LI>Regina and Daniel fall in love.
<LI>Regina's mother spooks Snow White's horse to make it run wild, and Regina saves her. As a result, King Leopold proposes to Regina.
<LI>Regina and Daniel plan to run away together, and Snow White catches them kissing. Regina explains about true love and gets Snow White to promise not to tell anyone about Daniel.
<LI>Regina's mother, clearly suspecting something, manipulates Snow White into betraying Regina.
<LI>Regina's mother catches her and Daniel trying to run away together. She murders Daniel by taking out his heart and crushing it to dust.
<LI>Regina decides to marry King Leopold and discovers that Snow White betrayed her secret. She vows revenge and also figures out that her mother spooked Snow White's horse so that Regina would come to King Leopold's intention.
<LI>Regina marries King Leopold.
<LI>Regina's mother trains her up in magic.
<LI>At some point, Regina's mother must die (or be transformed, or have something happen to her that takes her out of the picture). Very possibly Regina is the architect of her mother's downfall.
<LI>(Not sure exactly where in the timeline this one goes, but this seems a good guess as it is supposed to occur one year before the Nova-and-Grumpy story) Fairy-godmother-in-training Nova accidentally spills some fairy dust, and it lands on a dwarf egg. The egg immediately hatches and the dwarf inside it is born prematurely, looking around for Nova, whose face he saw while inside the egg. He is informed by another dwarf, Bossy, that dwarves do not fall in love, and, along with his seven brothers (Happy, Doc, Dopey, Sneezy, Bashful, Sneaky and Sleepy) who hatch a little bit later, is given basic dwarf orientation before being given a pick-axe which christens him "Dreamy" and is then sent to mine diamonds and fairy dust.
<LI>Snow White's father finds the genie, frees him, and takes him back to his palace for yuks
<LI>The Evil Queen fools the genie into thinking she loves him, and (with her father's help) gets him to murder Snow White's father for her.
<LI>The genie finds out the Evil Queen is a lying liar who lies, and wishes himself into every mirror she looks into.
<LI>At some point after the genie is wished into the mirror, the Queen of Hearts kidnaps the Evil Queen's father and hides him in Wonderland. She cons the Mad Hatter into taking her into Wonderland to rescue her father, and then leaves the Mad Hatter there, thus leaving his daughter Grace fatherless.
<LI>Snow White realises that the Evil Queen is out to get her (since she seemed to be perfectly trusting of the Evil Queen earlier when she was mourning her dad, but knows the Evil Queen wants to kill her not too long after when the Huntsman takes her into the woods)
<LI>The Evil Queen tells the Huntsman to kill Snow White; instead, he MacGyvers a help-summoning whistle for her and lets her go
<LI>(This one might have happened <I>before</I> the Huntsman took Snow into the woods, but given that there was a vengeance associated with Snow White using the powder that we didn't see when she was writing the letter to the Evil Queen before the Huntsman caught up with her in the woods, I would guess it happens at this stage of the story instead:) Snow White somehow acquires magic insect powder
<LI>Snow White starts living rough in the woods; in the winter she hides out one night in Granny and Red's barn during the full moon and is found by Red the next morning. Also that morning, Red and Snow discover that the wolf has massacred a bunch of men who were trying to kill it.
<LI>Red tells Snow White about the man she loves (Peter), and they decide to track the wolf during the daytime. Red turns out to be a fabulous tracker. The wolf tracks turn into boot tracks and lead to Red's window. Red and Snow White conclude that the wolf is a werewolf and that in its human form, it's Peter.
<LI>Snow and Red switch cloaks so that Red can warn Peter and chain him to a tree to keep him from killing or being killed
<LI>Granny discovers the ruse and confesses that the werewolf is actually Red and that the red cloak stops her from turning; Granny and Snow run out to find Red, but she is already munching on Peter. Granny drops the werewolf with a silver-tipped arrow and Snow throws the red cloak over her to change her back into Red. As the huntsmen close in, Snow spirits Red away, leaving Granny to face the music. (She obviously ends up okay, since she and Red are reunited in Prince Charming's castle.)
<LI>Snow White starts stealing gold and whatnot. (She seems to have picked up some badassery from Granny.) At some point after Snow White starts roughing it, Red seems to regularly bring helpful supplies to Snow White.
<LI>James' twin brother is killed trying to impress Midas.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with King George to get James for him to replace the dead twin.
<LI>Presumably around this time, King George tells Rumpelstiltskin the location of Cinderella's fairy godmother as payment for getting James for him. At some point thereafter, Rumpelstiltskin poofs said fairy godmother, takes control of her wand, and gets Cinderella to agree to giving him her first-born son in exchange for prettying her up and getting her to the ball.
<LI>James kills a dragon and gets engaged to Abigail
<LI>James sees his mother for the last time and gets her lucky ring to give to his future wife
<LI>As James is making his way back from Midas' kingdom to his own, Snow ambushes his carriage and makes off with his mother's special ring. After a series of madcap adventures together, during which she uses up her insect powder, she gives him back his ring and they go their separate ways.
<LI>Snow White and James can't stop thinking about each other.
<LI>Snow White gets a forgetfulness potion from Rumpelstiltskin in exchange for some strands of her hair.
<LI>James sends Snow White her a letter by dove professing his love.
<LI>The Evil Queen kidnaps Hansel and Gretel's father and sends Hansel and Gretel to the blind witch's house to steal the poisoned apple
<LI>Hansel and Gretel deliver the apple to the Evil Queen and she offers to adopt them as her children. They refuse, and she casts them out into the forest.
<LI>(This part and the rest of the Belle story and the Grumpy-and-Nova story may actually take place earlier, but this placement seems as good a spot as any; I'll certainly move it if more information comes up that makes its placement more specific) The Ogre Wars are going extremely badly for some mayor guy. He makes a deal with Rumpelstiltskin to solve his ogre problem, in return for which his daughter Belle agrees to be Rumpelstiltskin's servant for life.
<LI>Belle gets to know Rumpelstiltskin and starts bringing him out of his shell. In the process, she chips one of his teacups. She also discovers that he had a son, but fails miserably to get him to ever talk about it. Chemistry between the two of them builds. At one point, Belle's old fiancé tries to "rescue" her, but Rumpelstiltskin turns him into a rose and gives it to Belle, who reveals that her betrothal was purely for political reasons. Eventually, Rumpelstiltskin sends Belle to market for him, fully believing she'll take advantage of this freedom to escape.
<LI>On the road to or from the market, Belle meets up with the Evil Queen, who tells her that true love's kiss breaks any curse.
<LI>Belle goes back to Rumpelstiltskin (which surprises the hell out of him) and kisses him. This makes Rumpelstiltskin start to change back into human form; he freaks out and thus stops the transformation. Belle triumphantly tells him about true love's kiss and he freaks out even more. He knows that the Evil Queen is behind this (wanting to eliminate his powers so she will have less magical competition, according to him) and believes that Belle is also out to get him. He has a tremendously impressive temper tantrum and kicks her out of his castle for good.
<LI>About a year after his birth, Dreamy sees Nova and they have instant chemistry. Nova asks Grumpy out on a date to see fireflies, which he doesn't recognize as a come-on.
<LI>Belle, drowning her sorrows over Rumpelstiltskin in drink, meets up with Dreamy at a bar and gives him a clue-by-four upside the head that he's in love and that Nova was actually asking him out.
<LI>Nova arranges for a boat so she and Dreamy can sail around the world.
<LI>Dreamy sneaks out to run away with Nova but is waylaid at the last minute by the Blue Fairy and Bossy, who convince him to forget being with Nova.
<LI>Dreamy meets up with Nova, who shows him the boat. He dumps her and heads back to the mine, where he is re-named Grumpy.
<LI>(This part may happen a bit later) For some reason, the dwarves stop living in the mines underground and start living in a cottage in the woods
<LI>(This part may happen before Belle meets Dreamy in the bar, it's not clear) The Evil Queen pays a visit to Rumpelstiltskin following his rejection of Belle and tells him (lying, obviously, but Rumpelstiltskin believes her) that Belle's been cast out by her father and killed. Rumpelstiltskin is devastated.
<LI>(This part may happen at any point between now and the Curse) Something happens to Belle in fairytale land which causes her to end up in a secret psych ward in the Storybrooke hospital once the Curse is enacted.
<LI>Grumpy is cast into King George's dungeon for some reason.
<LI>Snow White shows up at King George's palace and is captured, meeting Grumpy in a dungeon. Stealthy breaks them out and is killed trying to escape. Snow White saves Grumpy and meets with King George. King George tells Snow White to tell James she doesn't love him, and lets her in on the fact that James is not really his son. Snow accordingly breaks James' heart and leaves the castle.
<LI>The seven dwarves meet up with Snow as she leaves the castle and convince her not to use the forgetfulness potion immediately. This scene is viewed by the Evil Queen in her magic mirror.
<LI>The Evil Queen speaks to Hansel and Gretel's father and discovers that the secret of their happiness is the bond of being a family
<LI>(This could have happened earlier or later than this point, but I'm sticking it in here for convenience) The Evil Queen acquires the curse from Rumpelstiltskin (doubtless in a deal of some kind) and eventually trades it to Malificent in exchange for a poison to kill Snow White.
<LI>Abigail tells James about her past love, Frederick. James battles the siren of Lake Nostos. This allows Abigail to free Frederick and motivates James to try and win Snow White's love.
<LI>It becomes general knowledge that James and Abigail's engagement is off.
<LI>James goes to some woodland area trying to find Snow White. (I guess a little bird must have told him to go there.) Red Riding Hood tells him she's gone. King George, furious over the broken engagement, shows up with his posse and tries to kill James, who grabs Red Riding Hood and flees on horseback. Pursuit ensues.
<LI>James and Red manage to elude King George's men for a time, but are found after they make camp. To give James a headstart, Red tells him to go on alone and then, because there is a full moon, takes off her hood so she can fursplode and attack the soldiers. At least one survives as we see him later on with nasty scratches all over his face; it is not known whether Red escapes or is captured.
<LI>Snow White, however, has already taken the forgetfulness potion.
<LI>Unfortunately, this has the side effect of turning her into a right royal bitch. With the help of Jiminy Cricket, the dwarves stage an intervention to try and get her to be nice again, but only succeed in motivating her to kill the Evil Queen in cold blood.
<LI>Snow White waylays one of the Evil Queen's knights and finds out that the Evil Queen will soon be travelling to the summer palace.
<LI>Grumpy convinces Snow White to get help from Rumpelstiltskin
<LI>James happens upon the waylaid guardsman and finds out that Snow White will be trying to kill the Evil Queen on the way to the summer palace
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin says he can't bring back Snow White's personality or memories, but does, over Grumpy's objections, give her a bow and arrow to help her kill the Evil Queen with ("An arrow fired from this bow will give you exactly what you need. It always finds its target!")
<LI>James goes to Rumpelstiltskin to find out what's going on with Snow White. Rumpelstiltskin reveals that she took a forgetfulness potion which changed her. True love's kiss, however, will of course cure her. Rumpelstiltskin tells James where she is in exchange for James' cloak, and warns James that if Snow succeeds in killing the Evil Queen, she'll become as evil as her and James will never get her back.
<LI>James catches up to Snow White and kisses her without any effect whatsoever. Enraged, she decks him, knocks him out and ties him to a tree. She then tries to assassinate the Evil Queen, but James, freed by Jiminy Cricket, jumps in front of her arrow in order to save her from evil. Touched by his sacrifice for her, she kisses him and remembers everything.
<LI>Unfortunately, it's at this point that King George's soldiers catch up to James. They stuff him in a wheeled cage and take him away, leaving Snow White vowing to find him.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin combines Snow White's hair with James' hair (which he tweezed off the cloak) and actually manages to bottle love. ("If you can bottle love, you can do anything.")
<LI>At some point, Snow White must rescue James. Given that they're not killed, they must work it out somehow so that James can end up marrying Snow White and still have a castle to live in - clearly that's a story in itself.
<LI>Snow White is poisoned by the Evil Queen, put into a coffin, and is brought back to life by a kiss from James
<LI>Snow White and James get married (she would have been given his mother's ring by this time); during the wedding, the Evil Queen threatens everyone with the curse
<LI>Cinderella and Thomas get married
<LI>Snow White gets pregnant
<LI>Cinderella gets pregnant
<LI>(This might have happened before Snow White and/or Cinderella got pregnant, or after Rumpelstiltskin is captured, it's not clear:) The Evil Queen steals the curse back from her buddy Maleficent and tries it with no effect
<LI>Cinderella, Thomas, and James conspire to imprison Rumpelstiltskin; Thomas disappears
<LI>While pregnant, Snow freaks out about the Evil Queen's threat; she and James visit Rumpelstiltskin and find out that their daughter will be the saviour in exchange for telling Rumpelstiltskin the baby's name, and then plans begin to send Snow away from the curse via an enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen visits Rumpelstiltskin to find out why his curse is a dud and, in exchange for a promise of being rich post-curse and the Evil Queen having to do anything he asks if he says please, he tells her that she needs to sacrifice the thing she loves most; she also discovers that the curse can be undone by Snow's baby
<LI>The Evil Queen offs her dad
<LI>The Evil Queen successfully enacts the curse as Snow White is in labour
<LI>Emma is born; James sends her to safety via the enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen arrives at James' palace, although not in time to grab the baby, and laughs maniacally as the curse takes effect
<LI>Everyone in the fairy tale world is sent to Storybrook and time stops for them
<LI>Around age 18, Emma gets knocked up with Henry. The father is likely a married man.
<LI>At some point during the pregnancy, Emma is sent to jail.
<LI>Henry is born in jail. Emma decides to give him up for adoption. At the same time, Regina decides she wants to adopt a baby. Rumplestiltskin is the gobetween and somehow acquires Emma's baby for Regina in exchange for an unknown favour from Regina.
<LI>Over the next ten years, Henry is presumably the only person in storybrook who ages, since he was a baby when he got there and a ten-year-old ten years later. Given that Cinderella's pregnancy never advances in the 28 years when Storybrook time is frozen, and given that Hansel and Gretel are the same age they were when Emma comes to town as they were when the curse took effect, none of the Storybrook people can have children during the time freeze, nor would the Storybrook children ever age. This would probably be very conclusive proof for Henry that things are majorly effed up in his home town; why he never points this out to Emma or anyone as proof that he's not delusional is beyond me.
</OL>Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07130370980787749356noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1453262341823155039.post-7149248611549878862012-03-26T10:57:00.000-04:002012-03-26T10:57:14.129-04:00Hold on to your hat<P>So here's something rather interesting: why do we never see the Queen of Hearts' face? I also find it very interesting that the Queen of Hearts has a vault that looks a lot like the vault of hearts that Regina keeps. Could it be that Regina and the Queen of Hearts are the same person, existing in two different worlds?</P>
<P>Also, from the previews of next week's show, it looks like we'll find out more about what Snow White did to make the Evil Queen so angry at her.</P>
<P>And finally, what game is Mr. Gold playing? What, he agreed to a deal with Regina to screw over Mary Margaret? While also striking a deal with Emma to save her? Man, his motivations are murky and confusing.</P>
<H3>Revised timeline:</H3>
<OL>
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin kills the Dark One and acquires magic and power.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with Jimminy and gives him turn-people-into-scary-ass-dolls potion. Said potion is accidentally used on Gepetto's parents; the Blue Fairy turns Jimminy into an immortal cricket and he becomes Gepetto's best friend.
<LI>Around this time (a little more than 60 years before the curse), Granny's father and brothers are slaughtered by a werewolf, who then bites Granny. Later, he returns and changes her into a werewolf. They marry, and go on to have a daughter who is also a werewolf. She is later killed by a hunting party, but not before she gives birth to Red, who starts becoming a werewolf at the full moon at the age of 13. From a wizard, Granny buys a red cloak that will prevent Red from changing into a werewolf. Also at some point, Granny's husband dies, as she is later referred to as "Widow Lucas". Granny's werewolfness eventually fades away, although she retains some things, like tracking ability (sense of smell).
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with James' parents to take one of their twins as a son for King George in exchange for a farm
<LI>The Evil Queen has love and loses it because of Snow White not being able to keep a secret (possibly Snow's father is responsible as well)
<LI>(This may occur somewhat earlier in the timeline) The summer palace is built for Snow White's mother
<LI>The Evil Queen marries Snow White's father
<LI>(Not sure exactly where in the timeline this one goes, but this seems a good guess as it is supposed to occur one year before the Nova-and-Grumpy story) Fairy-godmother-in-training Nova accidentally spills some fairy dust, and it lands on a dwarf egg. The egg immediately hatches and the dwarf inside it is born prematurely, looking around for Nova, whose face he saw while inside the egg. He is informed by another dwarf, Bossy, that dwarves do not fall in love, and, along with his seven brothers (Happy, Doc, Dopey, Sneezy, Bashful, Sneaky and Sleepy) who hatch a little bit later, is given basic dwarf orientation before being given a pick-axe which christens him "Dreamy" and is then sent to mine diamonds and fairy dust.
<LI>Snow White's father finds the genie, frees him, and takes him back to his palace for yuks
<LI>The Evil Queen fools the genie into thinking she loves him, and (with her father's help) gets him to murder Snow White's father for her.
<LI>The genie finds out the Evil Queen is a lying liar who lies, and wishes himself into every mirror she looks into.
<LI>At some point after the genie is wished into the mirror, the Queen of Hearts kidnaps the Evil Queen's father and hides him in Wonderland. She cons the Mad Hatter into taking her into Wonderland to rescue her father, and then leaves the Mad Hatter there, thus leaving his daughter Grace fatherless.
<LI>Snow White realises that the Evil Queen is out to get her (since she seemed to be perfectly trusting of the Evil Queen earlier when she was mourning her dad, but knows the Evil Queen wants to kill her not too long after when the Huntsman takes her into the woods)
<LI>The Evil Queen tells the Huntsman to kill Snow White; instead, he MacGyvers a help-summoning whistle for her and lets her go
<LI>(This one might have happened <I>before</I> the Huntsman took Snow into the woods, but given that there was a vengeance associated with Snow White using the powder that we didn't see when she was writing the letter to the Evil Queen before the Huntsman caught up with her in the woods, I would guess it happens at this stage of the story instead:) Snow White somehow acquires magic insect powder
<LI>Snow White starts living rough in the woods; in the winter she hides out one night in Granny and Red's barn during the full moon and is found by Red the next morning. Also that morning, Red and Snow discover that the wolf has massacred a bunch of men who were trying to kill it.
<LI>Red tells Snow White about the man she loves (Peter), and they decide to track the wolf during the daytime. Red turns out to be a fabulous tracker. The wolf tracks turn into boot tracks and lead to Red's window. Red and Snow White conclude that the wolf is a werewolf and that in its human form, it's Peter.
<LI>Snow and Red switch cloaks so that Red can warn Peter and chain him to a tree to keep him from killing or being killed
<LI>Granny discovers the ruse and confesses that the werewolf is actually Red and that the red cloak stops her from turning; Granny and Snow run out to find Red, but she is already munching on Peter. Granny drops the werewolf with a silver-tipped arrow and Snow throws the red cloak over her to change her back into Red. As the huntsmen close in, Snow spirits Red away, leaving Granny to face the music. (She obviously ends up okay, since she and Red are reunited in Prince Charming's castle.)
<LI>Snow White starts stealing gold and whatnot. (She seems to have picked up some badassery from Granny.) At some point after Snow White starts roughing it, Red seems to regularly bring helpful supplies to Snow White.
<LI>James' twin brother is killed trying to impress Midas.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with King George to get James for him to replace the dead twin.
<LI>Presumably around this time, King George tells Rumpelstiltskin the location of Cinderella's fairy godmother as payment for getting James for him. At some point thereafter, Rumpelstiltskin poofs said fairy godmother, takes control of her wand, and gets Cinderella to agree to giving him her first-born son in exchange for prettying her up and getting her to the ball.
<LI>James kills a dragon and gets engaged to Abigail
<LI>James sees his mother for the last time and gets her lucky ring to give to his future wife
<LI>As James is making his way back from Midas' kingdom to his own, Snow ambushes his carriage and makes off with his mother's special ring. After a series of madcap adventures together, during which she uses up her insect powder, she gives him back his ring and they go their separate ways.
<LI>Snow White and James can't stop thinking about each other.
<LI>Snow White gets a forgetfulness potion from Rumpelstiltskin in exchange for some strands of her hair.
<LI>James sends Snow White her a letter by dove professing his love.
<LI>The Evil Queen kidnaps Hansel and Gretel's father and sends Hansel and Gretel to the blind witch's house to steal the poisoned apple
<LI>Hansel and Gretel deliver the apple to the Evil Queen and she offers to adopt them as her children. They refuse, and she casts them out into the forest.
<LI>(This part and the rest of the Belle story and the Grumpy-and-Nova story may actually take place earlier, but this placement seems as good a spot as any; I'll certainly move it if more information comes up that makes its placement more specific) The Ogre Wars are going extremely badly for some mayor guy. He makes a deal with Rumpelstiltskin to solve his ogre problem, in return for which his daughter Belle agrees to be Rumpelstiltskin's servant for life.
<LI>Belle gets to know Rumpelstiltskin and starts bringing him out of his shell. In the process, she chips one of his teacups. She also discovers that he had a son, but fails miserably to get him to ever talk about it. Chemistry between the two of them builds. At one point, Belle's old fiancé tries to "rescue" her, but Rumpelstiltskin turns him into a rose and gives it to Belle, who reveals that her betrothal was purely for political reasons. Eventually, Rumpelstiltskin sends Belle to market for him, fully believing she'll take advantage of this freedom to escape.
<LI>On the road to or from the market, Belle meets up with the Evil Queen, who tells her that true love's kiss breaks any curse.
<LI>Belle goes back to Rumpelstiltskin (which surprises the hell out of him) and kisses him. This makes Rumpelstiltskin start to change back into human form; he freaks out and thus stops the transformation. Belle triumphantly tells him about true love's kiss and he freaks out even more. He knows that the Evil Queen is behind this (wanting to eliminate his powers so she will have less magical competition, according to him) and believes that Belle is also out to get him. He has a tremendously impressive temper tantrum and kicks her out of his castle for good.
<LI>About a year after his birth, Dreamy sees Nova and they have instant chemistry. Nova asks Grumpy out on a date to see fireflies, which he doesn't recognize as a come-on.
<LI>Belle, drowning her sorrows over Rumpelstiltskin in drink, meets up with Dreamy at a bar and gives him a clue-by-four upside the head that he's in love and that Nova was actually asking him out.
<LI>Nova arranges for a boat so she and Dreamy can sail around the world.
<LI>Dreamy sneaks out to run away with Nova but is waylaid at the last minute by the Blue Fairy and Bossy, who convince him to forget being with Nova.
<LI>Dreamy meets up with Nova, who shows him the boat. He dumps her and heads back to the mine, where he is re-named Grumpy.
<LI>(This part may happen a bit later) For some reason, the dwarves stop living in the mines underground and start living in a cottage in the woods
<LI>(This part may happen before Belle meets Dreamy in the bar, it's not clear) The Evil Queen pays a visit to Rumpelstiltskin following his rejection of Belle and tells him (lying, obviously, but Rumpelstiltskin believes her) that Belle's been cast out by her father and killed. Rumpelstiltskin is devastated.
<LI>(This part may happen at any point between now and the Curse) Something happens to Belle in fairytale land which causes her to end up in a secret psych ward in the Storybrooke hospital once the Curse is enacted.
<LI>Grumpy is cast into King George's dungeon for some reason.
<LI>Snow White shows up at King George's palace and is captured, meeting Grumpy in a dungeon. Stealthy breaks them out and is killed trying to escape. Snow White saves Grumpy and meets with King George. King George tells Snow White to tell James she doesn't love him, and lets her in on the fact that James is not really his son. Snow accordingly breaks James' heart and leaves the castle.
<LI>The seven dwarves meet up with Snow as she leaves the castle and convince her not to use the forgetfulness potion immediately. This scene is viewed by the Evil Queen in her magic mirror.
<LI>The Evil Queen speaks to Hansel and Gretel's father and discovers that the secret of their happiness is the bond of being a family
<LI>(This could have happened earlier or later than this point, but I'm sticking it in here for convenience) The Evil Queen acquires the curse from Rumpelstiltskin (doubtless in a deal of some kind) and eventually trades it to Malificent in exchange for a poison to kill Snow White.
<LI>Abigail tells James about her past love, Frederick. James battles the siren of Lake Nostos. This allows Abigail to free Frederick and motivates James to try and win Snow White's love.
<LI>It becomes general knowledge that James and Abigail's engagement is off.
<LI>James goes to some woodland area trying to find Snow White. (I guess a little bird must have told him to go there.) Red Riding Hood tells him she's gone. King George, furious over the broken engagement, shows up with his posse and tries to kill James, who grabs Red Riding Hood and flees on horseback. Pursuit ensues.
<LI>James and Red manage to elude King George's men for a time, but are found after they make camp. To give James a headstart, Red tells him to go on alone and then, because there is a full moon, takes off her hood so she can fursplode and attack the soldiers. At least one survives as we see him later on with nasty scratches all over his face; it is not known whether Red escapes or is captured.
<LI>Snow White, however, has already taken the forgetfulness potion.
<LI>Unfortunately, this has the side effect of turning her into a right royal bitch. With the help of Jiminy Cricket, the dwarves stage an intervention to try and get her to be nice again, but only succeed in motivating her to kill the Evil Queen in cold blood.
<LI>Snow White waylays one of the Evil Queen's knights and finds out that the Evil Queen will soon be travelling to the summer palace.
<LI>Grumpy convinces Snow White to get help from Rumpelstiltskin
<LI>James happens upon the waylaid guardsman and finds out that Snow White will be trying to kill the Evil Queen on the way to the summer palace
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin says he can't bring back Snow White's personality or memories, but does, over Grumpy's objections, give her a bow and arrow to help her kill the Evil Queen with ("An arrow fired from this bow will give you exactly what you need. It always finds its target!")
<LI>James goes to Rumpelstiltskin to find out what's going on with Snow White. Rumpelstiltskin reveals that she took a forgetfulness potion which changed her. True love's kiss, however, will of course cure her. Rumpelstiltskin tells James where she is in exchange for James' cloak, and warns James that if Snow succeeds in killing the Evil Queen, she'll become as evil as her and James will never get her back.
<LI>James catches up to Snow White and kisses her without any effect whatsoever. Enraged, she decks him, knocks him out and ties him to a tree. She then tries to assassinate the Evil Queen, but James, freed by Jiminy Cricket, jumps in front of her arrow in order to save her from evil. Touched by his sacrifice for her, she kisses him and remembers everything.
<LI>Unfortunately, it's at this point that King George's soldiers catch up to James. They stuff him in a wheeled cage and take him away, leaving Snow White vowing to find him.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin combines Snow White's hair with James' hair (which he tweezed off the cloak) and actually manages to bottle love. ("If you can bottle love, you can do anything.")
<LI>At some point, Snow White must rescue James. Given that they're not killed, they must work it out somehow so that James can end up marrying Snow White and still have a castle to live in - clearly that's a story in itself.
<LI>Snow White is poisoned by the Evil Queen, put into a coffin, and is brought back to life by a kiss from James
<LI>Snow White and James get married (she would have been given his mother's ring by this time); during the wedding, the Evil Queen threatens everyone with the curse
<LI>Cinderella and Thomas get married
<LI>Snow White gets pregnant
<LI>Cinderella gets pregnant
<LI>(This might have happened before Snow White and/or Cinderella got pregnant, or after Rumpelstiltskin is captured, it's not clear:) The Evil Queen steals the curse back from her buddy Maleficent and tries it with no effect
<LI>Cinderella, Thomas, and James conspire to imprison Rumpelstiltskin; Thomas disappears
<LI>While pregnant, Snow freaks out about the Evil Queen's threat; she and James visit Rumpelstiltskin and find out that their daughter will be the saviour in exchange for telling Rumpelstiltskin the baby's name, and then plans begin to send Snow away from the curse via an enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen visits Rumpelstiltskin to find out why his curse is a dud and, in exchange for a promise of being rich post-curse and the Evil Queen having to do anything he asks if he says please, he tells her that she needs to sacrifice the thing she loves most; she also discovers that the curse can be undone by Snow's baby
<LI>The Evil Queen offs her dad
<LI>The Evil Queen successfully enacts the curse as Snow White is in labour
<LI>Emma is born; James sends her to safety via the enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen arrives at James' palace, although not in time to grab the baby, and laughs maniacally as the curse takes effect
<LI>Everyone in the fairy tale world is sent to Storybrook and time stops for them
<LI>Around age 18, Emma gets knocked up with Henry. The father is likely a married man.
<LI>At some point during the pregnancy, Emma is sent to jail.
<LI>Henry is born in jail. Emma decides to give him up for adoption. At the same time, Regina decides she wants to adopt a baby. Rumplestiltskin is the gobetween and somehow acquires Emma's baby for Regina in exchange for an unknown favour from Regina.
<LI>Over the next ten years, Henry is presumably the only person in storybrook who ages, since he was a baby when he got there and a ten-year-old ten years later. Given that Cinderella's pregnancy never advances in the 28 years when Storybrook time is frozen, and given that Hansel and Gretel are the same age they were when Emma comes to town as they were when the curse took effect, none of the Storybrook people can have children during the time freeze, nor would the Storybrook children ever age. This would probably be very conclusive proof for Henry that things are majorly effed up in his home town; why he never points this out to Emma or anyone as proof that he's not delusional is beyond me.
</OL>Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07130370980787749356noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1453262341823155039.post-39608986091204855612012-03-15T02:02:00.003-04:002012-03-15T02:02:52.517-04:00Peter and the wolf<P>Diabolical!</P>
<P>So Regina's been doing her stealing-people's-hearts thing again, but instead of storing this one in her vault, she buried it near the toll bridge. Lots of questions here.</P>
<UL>
<LI>Whose heart is it? We're meant to think it's Kathryn's of course, but I guess we have to wait for the DNA tests to come back on that one.
<LI>Even if it is Kathryn's heart, does that necessarily mean she's dead? After all, Regina had Graham's heart in her vault, and he was still alive.
<LI>It would seem that Regina is trying to frame Mary Margaret by putting her prints on the box, but is that really what's happening? How could Regina seriously expect anyone would find the box in order for any framing to actually work?
<LI>Maybe that was just Regina's special hiding place for that particular heart, and Mary Margaret's prints are on it because she touched the box as Snow White during her time in fairytale land?
<LI>What's the deal with David's weird blackouts? How <I>did</I> he get that cut on his head?
</UL>
<P>Also, if Red's grandfather-in-werewolf-form looked deeply into Granny's eyes and liked her enough to mark her instead of killing her, so he could come back later and change her to be his mate, why didn't Red do the same thing with Peter? I suppose technically, since no one actually checked Peter's pulse, that maybe that's just what she did, but he seemed pretty bloody and she seemed to be snacking on him rather a lot for him to be just "marked".</P>
<P>I also find it interesting that a lot of the people who were at Snow White and Prince James' what-the-heck-do-we-do-about-this-curse council were "picked up" by Snow White during her adventures - first the dwarves, now Granny and Red. Does this mean we can expect a future episode where she'll strike up friendships with Gepetto and Jiminy? Is this why Prince James still managed to have a castle and followers even though King George tried to kill him - because he and Snow acquired friends through their wonderfulness and brought them in to be members of their own kingdom? Are they actually rulers of some kind of rebel group of fairytale land folk?</P>
<P>And finally, I think Meghan Ory (Red/Ruby) might just be the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. Her face is <I>exquisite</I>. If I were a man (and straight), she would totally be on my List.</P>
<H3>Revised timeline:</H3>
<OL>
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin kills the Dark One and acquires magic and power.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with Jimminy and gives him turn-people-into-scary-ass-dolls potion. Said potion is accidentally used on Gepetto's parents; the Blue Fairy turns Jimminy into an immortal cricket and he becomes Gepetto's best friend.
<LI>Around this time (a little more than 60 years before the curse), Granny's father and brothers are slaughtered by a werewolf, who then bites Granny. Later, he returns and changes her into a werewolf. They marry, and go on to have a daughter who is also a werewolf. She is later killed by a hunting party, but not before she gives birth to Red, who starts becoming a werewolf at the full moon at the age of 13. From a wizard, Granny buys a red cloak that will prevent Red from changing into a werewolf. Also at some point, Granny's husband dies, as she is later referred to as "Widow Lucas". Granny's werewolfness eventually fades away, although she retains some things, like tracking ability (sense of smell).
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with James' parents to take one of their twins as a son for King George in exchange for a farm
<LI>The Evil Queen has love and loses it because of Snow White not being able to keep a secret (possibly Snow's father is responsible as well)
<LI>The Evil Queen marries Snow White's father
<LI>(Not sure exactly where in the timeline this one goes, but this seems a good guess as it is supposed to occur one year before the Nova-and-Grumpy story) Fairy-godmother-in-training Nova accidentally spills some fairy dust, and it lands on a dwarf egg. The egg immediately hatches and the dwarf inside it is born prematurely, looking around for Nova, whose face he saw while inside the egg. He is informed by another dwarf, Bossy, that dwarves do not fall in love, and, along with his seven brothers (Happy, Doc, Dopey, Sneezy, Bashful, Sneaky and Sleepy) who hatch a little bit later, is given basic dwarf orientation before being given a pick-axe which christens him "Dreamy" and is then sent to mine diamonds and fairy dust.
<LI>Snow White's father finds the genie, frees him, and takes him back to his palace for yuks
<LI>The Evil Queen fools the genie into thinking she loves him, and (with her father's help) gets him to murder Snow White's father for her.
<LI>The genie finds out the Evil Queen is a lying liar who lies, and wishes himself into every mirror she looks into.
<LI>Snow White realises that the Evil Queen is out to get her (since she seemed to be perfectly trusting of the Evil Queen earlier when she was mourning her dad, but knows the Evil Queen wants to kill her not too long after when the Huntsman takes her into the woods)
<LI>The Evil Queen tells the Huntsman to kill Snow White; instead, he MacGyvers a help-summoning whistle for her and lets her go
<LI>(This one might have happened <I>before</I> the Huntsman took Snow into the woods, but given that there was a vengeance associated with Snow White using the powder that we didn't see when she was writing the letter to the Evil Queen before the Huntsman caught up with her in the woods, I would guess it happens at this stage of the story instead:) Snow White somehow acquires magic insect powder
<LI>Snow White starts living rough in the woods; in the winter she hides out one night in Granny and Red's barn during the full moon and is found by Red the next morning. Also that morning, Red and Snow discover that the wolf has massacred a bunch of men who were trying to kill it.
<LI>Red tells Snow White about the man she loves (Peter), and they decide to track the wolf during the daytime. Red turns out to be a fabulous tracker. The wolf tracks turn into boot tracks and lead to Red's window. Red and Snow White conclude that the wolf is a werewolf and that in its human form, it's Peter.
<LI>Snow and Red switch cloaks so that Red can warn Peter and chain him to a tree to keep him from killing or being killed
<LI>Granny discovers the ruse and confesses that the werewolf is actually Red and that the red cloak stops her from turning; Granny and Snow run out to find Red, but she is already munching on Peter. Granny drops the werewolf with a silver-tipped arrow and Snow throws the red cloak over her to change her back into Red. As the huntsmen close in, Snow spirits Red away, leaving Granny to face the music. (She obviously ends up okay, since she and Red are reunited in Prince Charming's castle.)
<LI>Snow White starts stealing gold and whatnot. (She seems to have picked up some badassery from Granny.) At some point after Snow White starts roughing it, Red seems to regularly bring helpful supplies to Snow White.
<LI>James' twin brother is killed trying to impress Midas.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with King George to get James for him to replace the dead twin.
<LI>Presumably around this time, King George tells Rumpelstiltskin the location of Cinderella's fairy godmother as payment for getting James for him. At some point thereafter, Rumpelstiltskin poofs said fairy godmother, takes control of her wand, and gets Cinderella to agree to giving him her first-born son in exchange for prettying her up and getting her to the ball.
<LI>James kills a dragon and gets engaged to Abigail
<LI>James sees his mother for the last time and gets her lucky ring to give to his future wife
<LI>As James is making his way back from Midas' kingdom to his own, Snow ambushes his carriage and makes off with his mother's special ring. After a series of madcap adventures together, during which she uses up her insect powder, she gives him back his ring and they go their separate ways.
<LI>Snow White and James can't stop thinking about each other.
<LI>Snow White gets a forgetfulness potion from Rumpelstiltskin in exchange for some strands of her hair.
<LI>James sends Snow White her a letter by dove professing his love.
<LI>The Evil Queen kidnaps Hansel and Gretel's father and sends Hansel and Gretel to the blind witch's house to steal the poisoned apple
<LI>Hansel and Gretel deliver the apple to the Evil Queen and she offers to adopt them as her children. They refuse, and she casts them out into the forest.
<LI>(This part and the rest of the Belle story and the Grumpy-and-Nova story may actually take place earlier, but this placement seems as good a spot as any; I'll certainly move it if more information comes up that makes its placement more specific) The Ogre Wars are going extremely badly for some mayor guy. He makes a deal with Rumpelstiltskin to solve his ogre problem, in return for which his daughter Belle agrees to be Rumpelstiltskin's servant for life.
<LI>Belle gets to know Rumpelstiltskin and starts bringing him out of his shell. In the process, she chips one of his teacups. She also discovers that he had a son, but fails miserably to get him to ever talk about it. Chemistry between the two of them builds. At one point, Belle's old fiancé tries to "rescue" her, but Rumpelstiltskin turns him into a rose and gives it to Belle, who reveals that her betrothal was purely for political reasons. Eventually, Rumpelstiltskin sends Belle to market for him, fully believing she'll take advantage of this freedom to escape.
<LI>On the road to or from the market, Belle meets up with the Evil Queen, who tells her that true love's kiss breaks any curse.
<LI>Belle goes back to Rumpelstiltskin (which surprises the hell out of him) and kisses him. This makes Rumpelstiltskin start to change back into human form; he freaks out and thus stops the transformation. Belle triumphantly tells him about true love's kiss and he freaks out even more. He knows that the Evil Queen is behind this (wanting to eliminate his powers so she will have less magical competition, according to him) and believes that Belle is also out to get him. He has a tremendously impressive temper tantrum and kicks her out of his castle for good.
<LI>About a year after his birth, Dreamy sees Nova and they have instant chemistry. Nova asks Grumpy out on a date to see fireflies, which he doesn't recognize as a come-on.
<LI>Belle, drowning her sorrows over Rumpelstiltskin in drink, meets up with Dreamy at a bar and gives him a clue-by-four upside the head that he's in love and that Nova was actually asking him out.
<LI>Nova arranges for a boat so she and Dreamy can sail around the world.
<LI>Dreamy sneaks out to run away with Nova but is waylaid at the last minute by the Blue Fairy and Bossy, who convince him to forget being with Nova.
<LI>Dreamy meets up with Nova, who shows him the boat. He dumps her and heads back to the mine, where he is re-named Grumpy.
<LI>(This part may happen before Belle meets Dreamy in the bar, it's not clear) The Evil Queen pays a visit to Rumpelstiltskin following his rejection of Belle and tells him (lying, obviously, but Rumpelstiltskin believes her) that Belle's been cast out by her father and killed. Rumpelstiltskin is devastated.
<LI>(This part may happen at any point between now and the Curse) Something happens to Belle in fairytale land which causes her to end up in a secret psych ward in the Storybrooke hospital once the Curse is enacted.
<LI>Grumpy is cast into King George's dungeon for some reason.
<LI>Snow White shows up at King George's palace and is captured, meeting Grumpy in a dungeon. Stealthy breaks them out and is killed trying to escape. Snow White saves Grumpy and meets with King George. King George tells Snow White to tell James she doesn't love him, and lets her in on the fact that James is not really his son. Snow accordingly breaks James' heart and leaves the castle.
<LI>The seven dwarves meet up with Snow as she leaves the castle and convince her not to use the forgetfulness potion immediately. This scene is viewed by the Evil Queen in her magic mirror.
<LI>The Evil Queen speaks to Hansel and Gretel's father and discovers that the secret of their happiness is the bond of being a family
<LI>(This could have happened earlier or later than this point, but I'm sticking it in here for convenience) The Evil Queen acquires the curse from Rumpelstiltskin (doubtless in a deal of some kind) and eventually trades it to Malificent in exchange for a poison to kill Snow White.
<LI>Abigail tells James about her past love, Frederick. James battles the siren of Lake Nostos. This allows Abigail to free Frederick and motivates James to try and win Snow White's love.
<LI>It becomes general knowledge that James and Abigail's engagement is off.
<LI>James goes to some woodland area trying to find Snow White. (I guess a little bird must have told him to go there.) Red Riding Hood tells him she's gone. King George, furious over the broken engagement, shows up with his posse and tries to kill James, who grabs Red Riding Hood and flees on horseback. Pursuit ensues. (Given that they're not killed, they must work it out somehow so that James can end up marrying Snow White and still have a castle to live in - clearly that's a story in itself.)
<LI>Snow White, however, has already taken the forgetfulness potion.
<LI>At some point, the forgetfulness potion is reversed (Water from Lake Nostos, maybe?)
<LI>Snow White is poisoned by the Evil Queen, put into a coffin, and is brought back to life by a kiss from James
<LI>Snow White and James get married (she would have been given his mother's ring by this time); during the wedding, the Evil Queen threatens everyone with the curse
<LI>Cinderella and Thomas get married
<LI>Snow White gets pregnant
<LI>Cinderella gets pregnant
<LI>(This might have happened before Snow White and/or Cinderella got pregnant, or after Rumpelstiltskin is captured, it's not clear:) The Evil Queen steals the curse back from her buddy Maleficent and tries it with no effect
<LI>Cinderella, Thomas, and James conspire to imprison Rumpelstiltskin; Thomas disappears
<LI>While pregnant, Snow freaks out about the Evil Queen's threat; she and James visit Rumpelstiltskin and find out that their daughter will be the saviour in exchange for telling Rumpelstiltskin the baby's name, and then plans begin to send Snow away from the curse via an enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen visits Rumpelstiltskin to find out why his curse is a dud and, in exchange for a promise of being rich post-curse and the Evil Queen having to do anything he asks if he says please, he tells her that she needs to sacrifice the thing she loves most; she also discovers that the curse can be undone by Snow's baby
<LI>The Evil Queen offs her dad
<LI>The Evil Queen successfully enacts the curse as Snow White is in labour
<LI>Emma is born; James sends her to safety via the enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen arrives at James' palace, although not in time to grab the baby, and laughs maniacally as the curse takes effect
<LI>Everyone in the fairy tale world is sent to Storybrook and time stops for them
<LI>Around age 18, Emma gets knocked up with Henry. The father is likely a married man.
<LI>At some point during the pregnancy, Emma is sent to jail.
<LI>Henry is born in jail. Emma decides to give him up for adoption. At the same time, Regina decides she wants to adopt a baby. Rumplestiltskin is the gobetween and somehow acquires Emma's baby for Regina in exchange for an unknown favour from Regina.
<LI>Over the next ten years, Henry is presumably the only person in storybrook who ages, since he was a baby when he got there and a ten-year-old ten years later. Given that Cinderella's pregnancy never advances in the 28 years when Storybrook time is frozen, and given that Hansel and Gretel are the same age they were when Emma comes to town as they were when the curse took effect, none of the Storybrook people can have children during the time freeze, nor would the Storybrook children ever age. This would probably be very conclusive proof for Henry that things are majorly effed up in his home town; why he never points this out to Emma or anyone as proof that he's not delusional is beyond me.
</OL>Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07130370980787749356noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1453262341823155039.post-65205606321362754962012-03-08T22:03:00.003-05:002012-03-08T22:04:39.231-05:00Crazy dreamers<H3>Things we learned in the "Dreamy" episode:</H3>
<UL>
<LI>In order to become a fairy godmother, you have to spend a long time training as a fairy.
<LI>Apparently, all the fairies from fairytale land became nuns in Storybrooke. (Is this also true of fairy godmothers, I wonder?)
<LI>Mr. Gold/Rumpelstiltskin has a hate-on for fairies. And fairy godmothers too, judging from what he did to Cinderella's fairy godmother. I wonder why, exactly? Is it just because they're magic-users in fairytale land and therefore his competition, or is there an interesting story behind his vendetta? (I'm guessing there's an interesting story.)
<LI>Emma has no respect for the process of establishing a legitimate trail of evidence.
<LI>All you need to do in Storybrooke to erase the stigma of a serious moral transgression is sell a lot of candles.
</UL>
<H3>Revised timeline:</H3>
<OL>
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin kills the Dark One and acquires magic and power.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with Jimminy and gives him turn-people-into-scary-ass-dolls potion. Said potion is accidentally used on Gepetto's parents; the Blue Fairy turns Jimminy into an immortal cricket and he becomes Gepetto's best friend.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with James' parents to take one of their twins as a son for King George in exchange for a farm
<LI>The Evil Queen has love and loses it because of Snow White not being able to keep a secret (possibly Snow's father is responsible as well)
<LI>The Evil Queen marries Snow White's father
<LI>(Not sure exactly where in the timeline this one goes, but this seems a good guess as it is supposed to occur one year before the Nova-and-Grumpy story) Fairy-godmother-in-training Nova accidentally spills some fairy dust, and it lands on a dwarf egg. The egg immediately hatches and the dwarf inside it is born prematurely, looking around for Nova, whose face he saw while inside the egg. He is informed by another dwarf, Bossy, that dwarves do not fall in love, and, along with his seven brothers (Happy, Doc, Dopey, Sneezy, Bashful, Sneaky and Sleepy) who hatch a little bit later, is given basic dwarf orientation before being given a pick-axe which christens him "Dreamy" and is then sent to mine diamonds and fairy dust.
<LI>Snow White's father finds the genie, frees him, and takes him back to his palace for yuks
<LI>The Evil Queen fools the genie into thinking she loves him, and (with her father's help) gets him to murder Snow White's father for her.
<LI>The genie finds out the Evil Queen is a lying liar who lies, and wishes himself into every mirror she looks into.
<LI>Snow White realises that the Evil Queen is out to get her (since she seemed to be perfectly trusting of the Evil Queen earlier when she was mourning her dad, but knows the Evil Queen wants to kill her not too long after when the Huntsman takes her into the woods)
<LI>The Evil Queen tells the Huntsman to kill Snow White; instead, he MacGyvers a help-summoning whistle for her and lets her go
<LI>(This one might have happened <I>before</I> the Huntsman took Snow into the woods, but given that there was a vengeance associated with Snow White using the powder that we didn't see when she was writing the letter to the Evil Queen before the Hutnsman caught up with her in the woods, I would guess it happens at this stage of the story instead:) Snow White somehow acquires magic insect powder
<LI>Snow White starts living rough in the woods and stealing gold and whatnot. At some point (either before or after her exile to the forest), Snow somehow helps Red Riding Hood "when no one else would" and they become friends. At some point after Snow White starts roughing it, Red seems to regularly bring helpful supplies to Snow White.
<LI>James' twin brother is killed trying to impress Midas.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with King George to get James for him to replace the dead twin.
<LI>Presumably around this time, King George tells Rumpelstiltskin the location of Cinderella's fairy godmother as payment for getting James for him. At some point thereafter, Rumpelstiltskin poofs said fairy godmother, takes control of her wand, and gets Cinderella to agree to giving him her first-born son in exchange for prettying her up and getting her to the ball.
<LI>James kills a dragon and gets engaged to Abigail
<LI>James sees his mother for the last time and gets her lucky ring to give to his future wife
<LI>As James is making his way back from Midas' kingdom to his own, Snow ambushes his carriage and makes off with his mother's special ring. After a series of madcap adventures together, during which she uses up her insect powder, she gives him back his ring and they go their separate ways.
<LI>Snow White and James can't stop thinking about each other.
<LI>Snow White gets a forgetfulness potion from Rumpelstiltskin in exchange for some strands of her hair.
<LI>James sends Snow White her a letter by dove professing his love.
<LI>The Evil Queen kidnaps Hansel and Gretel's father and sends Hansel and Gretel to the blind witch's house to steal the poisoned apple
<LI>Hansel and Gretel deliver the apple to the Evil Queen and she offers to adopt them as her children. They refuse, and she casts them out into the forest.
<LI>(This part and the rest of the Belle story and the Grumpy-and-Nova story may actually take place earlier, but this placement seems as good a spot as any; I'll certainly move it if more information comes up that makes its placement more specific) The Ogre Wars are going extremely badly for some mayor guy. He makes a deal with Rumpelstiltskin to solve his ogre problem, in return for which his daughter Belle agrees to be Rumpelstiltskin's servant for life.
<LI>Belle gets to know Rumpelstiltskin and starts bringing him out of his shell. In the process, she chips one of his teacups. She also discovers that he had a son, but fails miserably to get him to ever talk about it. Chemistry between the two of them builds. At one point, Belle's old fiancé tries to "rescue" her, but Rumpelstiltskin turns him into a rose and gives it to Belle, who reveals that her betrothal was purely for political reasons. Eventually, Rumpelstiltskin sends Belle to market for him, fully believing she'll take advantage of this freedom to escape.
<LI>On the road to or from the market, Belle meets up with the Evil Queen, who tells her that true love's kiss breaks any curse.
<LI>Belle goes back to Rumpelstiltskin (which surprises the hell out of him) and kisses him. This makes Rumpelstiltskin start to change back into human form; he freaks out and thus stops the transformation. Belle triumphantly tells him about true love's kiss and he freaks out even more. He knows that the Evil Queen is behind this (wanting to eliminate his powers so she will have less magical competition, according to him) and believes that Belle is also out to get him. He has a tremendously impressive temper tantrum and kicks her out of his castle for good.
<LI>About a year after his birth, Dreamy sees Nova and they have instant chemistry. Nova asks Grumpy out on a date to see fireflies, which he doesn't recognize as a come-on.
<LI>Belle, drowning her sorrows over Rumpelstiltskin in drink, meets up with Dreamy at a bar and gives him a clue-by-four upside the head that he's in love and that Nova was actually asking him out.
<LI>Nova arranges for a boat so she and Dreamy can sail around the world.
<LI>Dreamy sneaks out to run away with Nova but is waylaid at the last minute by the Blue Fairy and Bossy, who convince him to forget being with Nova.
<LI>Dreamy meets up with Nova, who shows him the boat. He dumps her and heads back to the mine, where he is re-named Grumpy.
<LI>(This part may happen before Belle meets Dreamy in the bar, it's not clear) The Evil Queen pays a visit to Rumpelstiltskin following his rejection of Belle and tells him (lying, obviously, but Rumpelstiltskin believes her) that Belle's been cast out by her father and killed. Rumpelstiltskin is devastated.
<LI>(This part may happen at any point between now and the Curse) Something happens to Belle in fairytale land which causes her to end up in a secret psych ward in the Storybrooke hospital once the Curse is enacted.
<LI>Grumpy is cast into King George's dungeon for some reason.
<LI>Snow White shows up at King George's palace and is captured, meeting Grumpy in a dungeon. Stealthy breaks them out and is killed trying to escape. Snow White saves Grumpy and meets with King George. King George tells Snow White to tell James she doesn't love him, and lets her in on the fact that James is not really his son. Snow accordingly breaks James' heart and leaves the castle.
<LI>The seven dwarves meet up with Snow as she leaves the castle and convince her not to use the forgetfulness potion immediately. This scene is viewed by the Evil Queen in her magic mirror.
<LI>The Evil Queen speaks to Hansel and Gretel's father and discovers that the secret of their happiness is the bond of being a family
<LI>(This could have happened earlier or later than this point, but I'm sticking it in here for convenience) The Evil Queen acquires the curse from Rumpelstiltskin (doubtless in a deal of some kind) and eventually trades it to Malificent in exchange for a poison to kill Snow White.
<LI>Abigail tells James about her past love, Frederick. James battles the siren of Lake Nostos. This allows Abigail to free Frederick and motivates James to try and win Snow White's love.
<LI>It becomes general knowledge that James and Abigail's engagement is off.
<LI>James goes to some woodland area trying to find Snow White. (I guess a little bird must have told him to go there.) Red Riding Hood tells him she's gone. King George, furious over the broken engagement, shows up with his posse and tries to kill James, who grabs Red Riding Hood and flees on horseback. Pursuit ensues. (Given that they're not killed, they must work it out somehow so that James can end up marrying Snow White and still have a castle to live in - clearly that's a story in itself.)
<LI>Snow White, however, has already taken the forgetfulness potion.
<LI>At some point, the forgetfulness potion is reversed (Water from Lake Nostos, maybe?)
<LI>Snow White is poisoned by the Evil Queen, put into a coffin, and is brought back to life by a kiss from James
<LI>Snow White and James get married (she would have been given his mother's ring by this time); during the wedding, the Evil Queen threatens everyone with the curse
<LI>Cinderella and Thomas get married
<LI>Snow White gets pregnant
<LI>Cinderella gets pregnant
<LI>(This might have happened before Snow White and/or Cinderella got pregnant, or after Rumpelstiltskin is captured, it's not clear:) The Evil Queen steals the curse back from her buddy Maleficent and tries it with no effect
<LI>Cinderella, Thomas, and James conspire to imprison Rumpelstiltskin; Thomas disappears
<LI>While pregnant, Snow freaks out about the Evil Queen's threat; she and James visit Rumpelstiltskin and find out that their daughter will be the saviour in exchange for telling Rumpelstiltskin the baby's name, and then plans begin to send Snow away from the curse via an enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen visits Rumpelstiltskin to find out why his curse is a dud and, in exchange for a promise of being rich post-curse and the Evil Queen having to do anything he asks if he says please, he tells her that she needs to sacrifice the thing she loves most; she also discovers that the curse can be undone by Snow's baby
<LI>The Evil Queen offs her dad
<LI>The Evil Queen successfully enacts the curse as Snow White is in labour
<LI>Emma is born; James sends her to safety via the enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen arrives at James' palace, although not in time to grab the baby, and laughs maniacally as the curse takes effect
<LI>Everyone in the fairy tale world is sent to Storybrook and time stops for them
<LI>Around age 18, Emma gets knocked up with Henry. The father is likely a married man.
<LI>At some point during the pregnancy, Emma is sent to jail.
<LI>Henry is born in jail. Emma decides to give him up for adoption. At the same time, Regina decides she wants to adopt a baby. Rumplestiltskin is the gobetween and somehow acquires Emma's baby for Regina in exchange for an unknown favour from Regina.
<LI>Over the next ten years, Henry is presumably the only person in storybrook who ages, since he was a baby when he got there and a ten-year-old ten years later. Given that Cinderella's pregnancy never advances in the 28 years when Storybrook time is frozen, and given that Hansel and Gretel are the same age they were when Emma comes to town as they were when the curse took effect, none of the Storybrook people can have children during the time freeze, nor would the Storybrook children ever age. This would probably be very conclusive proof for Henry that things are majorly effed up in his home town; why he never points this out to Emma or anyone as proof that he's not delusional is beyond me.
</OL>Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07130370980787749356noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1453262341823155039.post-5141257926899178642012-02-25T08:21:00.000-05:002012-02-25T08:21:07.095-05:00Crazy morals<P>Okay, a lot of behaviours really bugged me this episode, so I'm going to go through them one by one.</P>
<DL>
<DT><B>David (and James too)</B>
<DD>David's actually been bugging me since the last episode, when he was clearly trying to have his cake and eat it, too. Celebrating Valentine's Day with two women? Staying with Kathryn and trying to "work things out" even though he's supposed to be so in love with Mary Margaret? Nope, sorry pal. Stringing two women along makes you a player, not a prince. I get that you're conflicted, but this is not decent behaviour. Flash forward to this week's episode, where he still doesn't come clean with Kathryn, and we have a guy who's acting like a real jerk. Add to that James' boasting about he's sooo brave, and the guy as a whole is really getting on my nerves.<BR><BR>
<DT><B>Mary Margaret</B>
<DD>In what universe does finally being "open and honest" about having a secret affair with a married man make it okay? Hint: <I>it was never okay</I>. She should have listened to Emma's original advice.<BR><BR>
<DT><B>The town in general (and Granny specifically)</B>
<DD>Given the way Mary Margaret is being ostracized and judged, it seems like Storybrooke has never had anyone in it ever have an affair before. Which I find really, really hard to believe.
</DL>
<P>Other things about this episode:</P>
<UL>
<LI>I <I>knew</I> the guy with the bag of gym balls that Kathryn bumped into was going to turn out to be Frederick. The camera lingered on him staring at her way too long for him to be an extra.
<LI>So Frederick was the one to discover Abigail's car and the lack of Abigail's car in it - what on earth was he doing driving on the road leading out of Storybrooke, anyway?
<LI>We got a shot of a can of red spray paint in Regina's desk as she opened it to get out David's letter, so obviously we're meant to understand that she was the one who painted "TRAMP" on Mary Margaret's car.
<LI>We got possibly another hint about Henry's dad, when Emma tells August that not knowing a guy's name before she goes out with him has, in her past, led to bad stuff like finding out later that he's married. From past episodes, we also know that Emma has had an affair with a married man. We also know that the real backstory about Henry's father is "horrible". It's very likely that Emma's past affair with a married man is the Henry-producing relationship. So, is that how it happened? He never told her his name before they shacked up?
<LI>I hope we'll see more of that magical water well again. Could come in very handy.
<LI>August Wayne Booth, eh? I wonder what the significance of that is.
<LI>Very interesting to see Abigail's back story. Originally when we were introduced to her, she just seemed like a spoiled, depthless snob. Turns out she was actually grieving her goldified lover. Nice to see she has depth. I do like how there always seems to be more to everyone than first meets the eye.
</UL>
<H3>Revised timeline:</H3>
<P>(Belle's story not in here yet because I don't know precisely where it goes.)</P>
<OL>
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin kills the Dark One and acquires magic and power.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with Jimminy and gives him turn-people-into-scary-ass-dolls potion. Said potion is accidentally used on Gepetto's parents; the Blue Fairy turns Jimminy into an immortal cricket and he becomes Gepetto's best friend.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with James' parents to take one of their twins as a son for Mean King in exchange for a farm
<LI>The Evil Queen has love and loses it because of Snow White not being able to keep a secret (possibly Snow's father is responsible as well)
<LI>The Evil Queen marries Snow White's father
<LI>Snow White's father finds the genie, frees him, and takes him back to his palace for yuks
<LI>The Evil Queen fools the genie into thinking she loves him, and (with her father's help) gets him to murder Snow White's father for her.
<LI>The genie finds out the Evil Queen is a lying liar who lies, and wishes himself into every mirror she looks into.
<LI>Snow White realises that the Evil Queen is out to get her (since she seemed to be perfectly trusting of the Evil Queen earlier when she was mourning her dad, but knows the Evil Queen wants to kill her not too long after when the Huntsman takes her into the woods)
<LI>The Evil Queen tells the Huntsman to kill Snow White; instead, he MacGyvers a help-summoning whistle for her and lets her go
<LI>(This one might have happened <I>before</I> the Huntsman took Snow into the woods, but given that there was a vengeance associated with Snow White using the powder that we didn't see when she was writing the letter to the Evil Queen before the Hutnsman caught up with her in the woods, I would guess it happens at this stage of the story instead:) Snow White somehow acquires magic insect powder
<LI>Snow White starts living rough in the woods and stealing gold and whatnot. At some point (either before or after her exile to the forest), Snow somehow helps Red Riding Hood "when no one else would" and they become friends. At some point after Snow White starts roughing it, Red seems to regularly bring helpful supplies to Snow White.
<LI>James' twin brother is killed trying to impress Midas.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with Mean King to get James for him to replace the dead twin.
<LI>Presumably around this time, Mean King tells Rumpelstiltskin the location of Cinderella's fairy godmother as payment for getting James for him. At some point thereafter, Rumpelstiltskin poofs said fairy godmother, takes control of her wand, and gets Cinderella to agree to giving him her first-born son in exchange for prettying her up and getting her to the ball.
<LI>James kills a dragon and gets engaged to Abigail
<LI>James sees his mother for the last time and gets her lucky ring to give to his future wife
<LI>As James is making his way back from Midas' kingdom to his own, Snow ambushes his carriage and makes off with his mother's special ring. After a series of madcap adventures together, during which she uses up her insect powder, she gives him back his ring and they go their separate ways.
<LI>Snow White and James can't stop thinking about each other.
<LI>Snow White gets a forgetfulness potion from Rumpelstiltskin in exchange for some strands of her hair.
<LI>James sends Snow White her a letter by dove professing his love.
<LI>The Evil Queen kidnaps Hansel and Gretel's father and sends Hansel and Gretel to the blind witch's house to steal the poisoned apple
<LI>Hansel and Gretel deliver the apple to the Evil Queen and she offers to adopt them as her children. They refuse, and she casts them out into the forest.
<LI>Snow White shows up at Mean King's palace and is captured, meeting Grumpy in a dungeon. Stealthy breaks them out and is killed trying to escape. Snow White saves Grumpy and meets with Mean King. Mean King tells Snow White to tell James she doesn't love him, and lets her in on the fact that James is not really his son. Snow accordingly breaks James' heart and leaves the castle.
<LI>The seven dwarves meet up with Snow as she leaves the castle and convince her not to use the forgetfulness potion immediately. This scene is viewed by the Evil Queen in her magic mirror.
<LI>The Evil Queen speaks to Hansel and Gretel's father and discovers that the secret of their happiness is the bond of being a family
<LI>Abigail tells James about her past love, Frederick. James battles the siren of Lake Nostos. This allows Abigail to free Frederick and motivates James to try and win Snow White's love.
<LI>It becomes general knowledge that James and Abigail's engagement is off.
<LI>James goes to some woodland area trying to find Snow White. (I guess a little bird must have told him to go there.) Red Riding Hood tells him she's gone. King George, furious over the broken engagement, shows up with his posse and tries to kill James, who grabs Red Riding Hood and flees on horseback. Pursuit ensues. (Given that they're not killed, they must work it out somehow so that James can end up marrying Snow White and still have a castle to live in - clearly that's a story in itself.)
<LI>Snow White, however, has already taken the forgetfulness potion.
<LI>At some point, the forgetfulness potion is reversed (Water from Lake Nostos, maybe?)
<LI>Snow White is poisoned by the Evil Queen, put into a coffin, and is brought back to life by a kiss from James
<LI>Snow White and James get married (she would have been given his mother's ring by this time); during the wedding, the Evil Queen threatens everyone with the curse
<LI>Cinderella and Thomas get married
<LI>Snow White gets pregnant
<LI>Cinderella gets pregnant
<LI>(This might have happened before Snow White and/or Cinderella got pregnant, or after Rumpelstiltskin is captured, it's not clear:) The Evil Queen steals the curse back from her buddy Maleficent and tries it with no effect
<LI>Cinderella, Thomas, and James conspire to imprison Rumpelstiltskin; Thomas disappears
<LI>While pregnant, Snow freaks out about the Evil Queen's threat; she and James visit Rumpelstiltskin and find out that their daughter will be the saviour in exchange for telling Rumpelstiltskin the baby's name, and then plans begin to send Snow away from the curse via an enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen visits Rumpelstiltskin to find out why his curse is a dud and, in exchange for a promise of being rich post-curse and the Evil Queen having to do anything he asks if he says please, he tells her that she needs to sacrifice the thing she loves most; she also discovers that the curse can be undone by Snow's baby
<LI>The Evil Queen offs her dad
<LI>The Evil Queen successfully enacts the curse as Snow White is in labour
<LI>Emma is born; James sends her to safety via the enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen arrives at James' palace, although not in time to grab the baby, and laughs maniacally as the curse takes effect
<LI>Everyone in the fairy tale world is sent to Storybrook and time stops for them
<LI>Around age 18, Emma gets knocked up with Henry. The father is likely a married man.
<LI>At some point during the pregnancy, Emma is sent to jail.
<LI>Henry is born in jail. Emma decides to give him up for adoption. At the same time, Regina decides she wants to adopt a baby. Rumplestiltskin is the gobetween and somehow acquires Emma's baby for Regina in exchange for an unknown favour from Regina.
<LI>Over the next ten years, Henry is presumably the only person in storybrook who ages, since he was a baby when he got there and a ten-year-old ten years later. Given that Cinderella's pregnancy never advances in the 28 years when Storybrook time is frozen, and given that Hansel and Gretel are the same age they were when Emma comes to town as they were when the curse took effect, none of the Storybrook people can have children during the time freeze, nor would the Storybrook children ever age. This would probably be very conclusive proof for Henry that things are majorly effed up in his home town; why he never points this out to Emma or anyone as proof that he's not delusional is beyond me.
</OL>Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07130370980787749356noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1453262341823155039.post-83368787791734979862012-02-22T17:56:00.002-05:002012-02-22T17:56:47.195-05:00Not so beastly after all<P>I <I>knew</I> Mr. Gold remembered. :) The part where Regina forces him to name himself was deliciously thrilling.</P>
<P>The only problem is that I'm not sure precisely where this fits in to the timeline. It's obviously before Rumpelstiltskin is imprisoned by Prince James and Prince David, yet it must be after the Evil Queen kills off King Leopold, since she's wearing black. The other hint that it doesn't take place too long before the Curse is that Belle-in-the-real-world looks about the same age as Belle-in-Fairytale-Land, so not too much time would have passed between the Beauty-and-the-Beast events and the Curse. Maybe later we'll get more hints as to exactly when it fits in.</P>
<P>Verrrry interesting things happening here, though. Firstly, it's obvious that the Evil Queen lied about Belle dying. But what <I>did</I> happen to her? I'd hazard a guess that she was somehow captured and imprisoned by the Evil Queen, which is why she was transported right to what appears to be the secret mental ward of Storybrook Hospital as part of the Curse.</P>
<P>And speaking of the secret mental ward...who <I>else</I> is in there? I suspect the answer to that question is also very interesting.</P>
<P>Finally, we got information that "any curse can be broken by true love's kiss" (or words to that effect). Now, the Evil Queen lies like a rug on a regular basis, so anything she says needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt. But, given that Rumpelstiltskin started to transform back to a human when Belle kissed him, maybe she wasn't kidding there. We've also seen that Prince James' kiss cured the curse that "killed" Snow White. (Although, if the Evil Queen knew about the power of true love's kiss, should she not have anticipated that instead of getting mad at Maleficent for giving her an easily-broken curse?) <I>And</I>, very interestingly if you think about it, Graham and Emma kissing broke a certain amount of the Curse for Graham, because it brought his real memories back.</P>
<P>Which begs the question...what kiss is it going to take to break the Curse overall? Could it possibly be that we need <I>Regina</I> to experience true love's kiss for that to happen? I think that's a seriously fascinating possibility.</P>Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07130370980787749356noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1453262341823155039.post-31612885095454821092012-01-30T23:40:00.001-05:002012-01-30T23:40:31.189-05:00Revised timeline following "The Fruit of the Poisonous Tree"<P>Was Emma's superpower broken this week? Surely there was <I>something</I> Sydney said to her that would have tripped her lie detector? Like, oh, say, the bit about Regina having tampered with the brakes on her squad car?</P>
<P>Anyway, not much to add to the timeline this week, but might as well put it in there anyway...</P>
<OL>
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin kills the Dark One and acquires magic and power.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with Jimminy and gives him turn-people-into-scary-ass-dolls potion. Said potion is accidentally used on Gepetto's parents; the Blue Fairy turns Jimminy into an immortal cricket and he becomes Gepetto's best friend.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with James' parents to take one of their twins as a son for Mean King in exchange for a farm
<LI>The Evil Queen has love and loses it because of Snow White not being able to keep a secret (possibly Snow's father is responsible as well)
<LI>The Evil Queen marries Snow White's father
<LI>Snow White's father finds the genie, frees him, and takes him back to his palace for yuks
<LI>The Evil Queen fools the genie into thinking she loves him, and (with her father's help) gets him to murder Snow White's father for her.
<LI>The genie finds out the Evil Queen is a lying liar who lies, and wishes himself into every mirror she looks into.
<LI>Snow White realises that the Evil Queen is out to get her (since she seemed to be perfectly trusting of the Evil Queen earlier when she was mourning her dad, but knows the Evil Queen wants to kill her not too long after when the Huntsman takes her into the woods)
<LI>The Evil Queen tells the Huntsman to kill Snow White; instead, he MacGyvers a help-summoning whistle for her and lets her go
<LI>(This one might have happened <I>before</I> the Huntsman took Snow into the woods, but given that there was a vengeance associated with Snow White using the powder that we didn't see when she was writing the letter to the Evil Queen before the Hutnsman caught up with her in the woods, I would guess it happens at this stage of the story instead:) Snow White somehow acquires magic insect powder
<LI>Snow White starts living rough in the woods and stealing gold and whatnot. At some point (either before or after her exile to the forest), Snow somehow helps Red Riding Hood "when no one else would" and they become friends. At some point after Snow White starts roughing it, Red seems to regularly bring helpful supplies to Snow White.
<LI>James' twin brother is killed trying to impress Midas.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with Mean King to get James for him to replace the dead twin.
<LI>Presumably around this time, Mean King tells Rumpelstiltskin the location of Cinderella's fairy godmother as payment for getting James for him. At some point thereafter, Rumpelstiltskin poofs said fairy godmother, takes control of her wand, and gets Cinderella to agree to giving him her first-born son in exchange for prettying her up and getting her to the ball.
<LI>James kills a dragon and gets engaged to Abigail
<LI>James sees his mother for the last time and gets her lucky ring to give to his future wife
<LI>As James is making his way back from Midas' kingdom to his own, Snow ambushes his carriage and makes off with his mother's special ring. After a series of madcap adventures together, during which she uses up her insect powder, she gives him back his ring and they go their separate ways.
<LI>Snow White and James can't stop thinking about each other.
<LI>Snow White gets a forgetfulness potion from Rumpelstiltskin in exchange for some strands of her hair.
<LI>James sends Snow White her a letter by dove professing his love.
<LI>The Evil Queen kidnaps Hansel and Gretel's father and sends Hansel and Gretel to the blind witch's house to steal the poisoned apple
<LI>Hansel and Gretel deliver the apple to the Evil Queen and she offers to adopt them as her children. They refuse, and she casts them out into the forest.
<LI>Snow White shows up at Mean King's palace and is captured, meeting Grumpy in a dungeon. Stealthy breaks them out and is killed trying to escape. Snow White saves Grumpy and meets with Mean King. Mean King tells Snow White to tell James she doesn't love him, and lets her in on the fact that James is not really his son. Snow accordingly breaks James' heart and leaves the castle.
<LI>The seven dwarves meet up with Snow as she leaves the castle and convince her not to use the forgetfulness potion immediately. This scene is viewed by the Evil Queen in her magic mirror.
<LI>The Evil Queen speaks to Hansel and Gretel's father and discovers that the secret of their happiness is the bond of being a family
<LI>For some reason, James decides Snow White does love him after all and calls off the wedding to Abigail without getting killed by Mean King. (There's a story to that in itself, I'm sure.) Snow White, however, has already taken the forgetfulness potion.
<LI>At some point, the forgetfulness potion is reversed
<LI>Snow White is poisoned by the Evil Queen, put into a coffin, and is brought back to life by a kiss from James
<LI>Snow White and James get married (she would have been given his mother's ring by this time); during the wedding, the Evil Queen threatens everyone with the curse
<LI>Cinderella and Thomas get married
<LI>Snow White gets pregnant
<LI>Cinderella gets pregnant
<LI>(This might have happened before Snow White and/or Cinderella got pregnant, or after Rumpelstiltskin is captured, it's not clear:) The Evil Queen steals the curse back from her buddy Maleficent and tries it with no effect
<LI>Cinderella, Thomas, and James conspire to imprison Rumpelstiltskin; Thomas disappears
<LI>While pregnant, Snow freaks out about the Evil Queen's threat; she and James visit Rumpelstiltskin and find out that their daughter will be the saviour in exchange for telling Rumpelstiltskin the baby's name, and then plans begin to send Snow away from the curse via an enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen visits Rumpelstiltskin to find out why his curse is a dud and, in exchange for a promise of being rich post-curse and the Evil Queen having to do anything he asks if he says please, he tells her that she needs to sacrifice the thing she loves most; she also discovers that the curse can be undone by Snow's baby
<LI>The Evil Queen offs her dad
<LI>The Evil Queen successfully enacts the curse as Snow White is in labour
<LI>Emma is born; James sends her to safety via the enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen arrives at James' palace, although not in time to grab the baby, and laughs maniacally as the curse takes effect
<LI>Everyone in the fairy tale world is sent to Storybrook and time stops for them
<LI>Around age 18, Emma gets knocked up with Henry. The father is likely a married man.
<LI>At some point during the pregnancy, Emma is sent to jail.
<LI>Henry is born in jail. Emma decides to give him up for adoption. At the same time, Regina decides she wants to adopt a baby. Rumplestiltskin is the gobetween and somehow acquires Emma's baby for Regina in exchange for an unknown favour from Regina.
<LI>Over the next ten years, Henry is presumably the only person in storybrook who ages, since he was a baby when he got there and a ten-year-old ten years later. Given that Cinderella's pregnancy never advances in the 28 years when Storybrook time is frozen, and given that Hansel and Gretel are the same age they were when Emma comes to town as they were when the curse took effect, none of the Storybrook people can have children during the time freeze, nor would the Storybrook children ever age. This would probably be very conclusive proof for Henry that things are majorly effed up in his home town; why he never points this out to Emma or anyone as proof that he's not delusional is beyond me.
</OL>Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07130370980787749356noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1453262341823155039.post-53921307485462450072012-01-23T11:38:00.001-05:002012-01-23T11:51:47.653-05:00Sussing things out<H3>Questions</H3>
<UL>
<LI>Where did Snow get the insect powder? She didn't even hear of Rumpelstiltskin until <I>after</I> she'd had her adventure with James and used up the powder, so it must have come from somewhere else. How she acquired it is probably going to be an interesting little plot point.
<LI>Why did Regina want to adopt a baby? Especially if (as was implied in the pilot) she doesn't even love him? I suspect the answer to that will give us big insight into what she's all about. In the Hansel and Gretel episode, she got very emotional (for her) when the twins' father told her about the importance of family. I suspect adopting Henry was her trying to get back whatever she lost (family?) because of Snow.
<LI>One of the ingredients for the curse was hair from the most evil hearts in all the land (or something like that). However, Rumpelstiltskin was not one of the evil creatures gathered around the fire when EQ first tried to enact the curse. Can we infer from this that Rumpelstiltskin is not actually evil?
<LI>Is Emma going to have to die to fully reverse the curse?
</UL>
<H3>Timeline</H3>
<OL>
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin kills the Dark One and acquires magic and power.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with Jimminy and gives him turn-people-into-scary-ass-dolls potion. Said potion is accidentally used on Gepetto's parents; the Blue Fairy turns Jimminy into an immortal cricket and he becomes Gepetto's best friend.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with James' parents to take one of their twins as a son for Mean King in exchange for a farm
<LI>The Evil Queen has love and loses it because of Snow White not being able to keep a secret (possibly Snow's father is responsible as well)
<LI>The Evil Queen marries Snow White's father
<LI>The Evil Queen kills Snow White's father
<LI>Snow White realises that the Evil Queen is out to get her (since she seemed to be perfectly trusting of the Evil Queen earlier when she was mourning her dad, but knows the Evil Queen wants to kill her not too long after when the Huntsman takes her into the woods)
<LI>The Evil Queen tells the Huntsman to kill Snow White; instead, he MacGyvers a help-summoning whistle for her and lets her go
<LI>(This one might have happened <I>before</I> the Huntsman took Snow into the woods, but given that there was a vengeance associated with Snow White using the powder that we didn't see when she was writing the letter to the Evil Queen before the Hutnsman caught up with her in the woods, I would guess it happens at this stage of the story instead:) Snow White somehow acquires magic insect powder
<LI>Snow White starts living rough in the woods and stealing gold and whatnot. At some point (either before or after her exile to the forest), Snow somehow helps Red Riding Hood "when no one else would" and they become friends. At some point after Snow White starts roughing it, Red seems to regularly bring helpful supplies to Snow White.
<LI>James' twin brother is killed trying to impress Midas.
<LI>Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal with Mean King to get James for him to replace the dead twin.
<LI>Presumably around this time, Mean King tells Rumpelstiltskin the location of Cinderella's fairy godmother as payment for getting James for him. At some point thereafter, Rumpelstiltskin poofs said fairy godmother, takes control of her wand, and gets Cinderella to agree to giving him her first-born son in exchange for prettying her up and getting her to the ball.
<LI>James kills a dragon and gets engaged to Abigail
<LI>James sees his mother for the last time and gets her lucky ring to give to his future wife
<LI>As James is making his way back from Midas' kingdom to his own, Snow ambushes his carriage and makes off with his mother's special ring. After a series of madcap adventures together, during which she uses up her insect powder, she gives him back his ring and they go their separate ways.
<LI>Snow White and James can't stop thinking about each other.
<LI>Snow White gets a forgetfulness potion from Rumpelstiltskin in exchange for some strands of her hair.
<LI>James sends Snow White her a letter by dove professing his love.
<LI>The Evil Queen kidnaps Hansel and Gretel's father and sends Hansel and Gretel to the blind witch's house to steal the poisoned apple
<LI>Hansel and Gretel deliver the apple to the Evil Queen and she offers to adopt them as her children. They refuse, and she casts them out into the forest.
<LI>Snow White shows up at Mean King's palace and is captured, meeting Grumpy in a dungeon. Stealthy breaks them out and is killed trying to escape. Snow White saves Grumpy and meets with Mean King. Mean King tells Snow White to tell James she doesn't love him, and lets her in on the fact that James is not really his son. Snow accordingly breaks James' heart and leaves the castle.
<LI>The seven dwarves meet up with Snow as she leaves the castle and convince her not to use the forgetfulness potion immediately. This scene is viewed by the Evil Queen in her magic mirror.
<LI>The Evil Queen speaks to Hansel and Gretel's father and discovers that the secret of their happiness is the bond of being a family
<LI>For some reason, James decides Snow White does love him after all and calls off the wedding to Abigail without getting killed by Mean King. (There's a story to that in itself, I'm sure.) Snow White, however, has already taken the forgetfulness potion.
<LI>At some point, the forgetfulness potion is reversed
<LI>Snow White is poisoned by the Evil Queen, put into a coffin, and is brought back to life by a kiss from James
<LI>Snow White and James get married (she would have been given his mother's ring by this time); during the wedding, the Evil Queen threatens everyone with the curse
<LI>Cinderella and Thomas get married
<LI>Snow White gets pregnant
<LI>Cinderella gets pregnant
<LI>(This might have happened before Snow White and/or Cinderella got pregnant, or after Rumpelstiltskin is captured, it's not clear:) The Evil Queen steals the curse back from her buddy Maleficent and tries it with no effect
<LI>Cinderella, Thomas, and James conspire to imprison Rumpelstiltskin; Thomas disappears
<LI>While pregnant, Snow freaks out about the Evil Queen's threat; she and James visit Rumpelstiltskin and find out that their daughter will be the saviour in exchange for telling Rumpelstiltskin the baby's name, and then plans begin to send Snow away from the curse via an enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen visits Rumpelstiltskin to find out why his curse is a dud and, in exchange for a promise of being rich post-curse and the Evil Queen having to do anything he asks if he says please, he tells her that she needs to sacrifice the thing she loves most; she also discovers that the curse can be undone by Snow's baby
<LI>The Evil Queen offs her dad
<LI>The Evil Queen successfully enacts the curse as Snow White is in labour
<LI>Emma is born; James sends her to safety via the enchanted tree wardrobe
<LI>The Evil Queen arrives at James' palace, although not in time to grab the baby, and laughs maniacally as the curse takes effect
<LI>Everyone in the fairy tale world is sent to Storybrook and time stops for them
<LI>Around age 18, Emma gets knocked up with Henry. The father is likely a married man.
<LI>At some point during the pregnancy, Emma is sent to jail.
<LI>Henry is born in jail. Emma decides to give him up for adoption. At the same time, Regina decides she wants to adopt a baby. Rumplestiltskin is the gobetween and somehow acquires Emma's baby for Regina in exchange for an unknown favour from Regina.
<LI>Over the next ten years, Henry is presumably the only person in storybrook who ages, since he was a baby when he got there and a ten-year-old ten years later. Given that Cinderella's pregnancy never advances in the 28 years when Storybrook time is frozen, and given that Hansel and Gretel are the same age they were when Emma comes to town as they were when the curse took effect, none of the Storybrook people can have children during the time freeze, nor would the Storybrook children ever age. This would probably be very conclusive proof for Henry that things are majorly effed up in his home town; why he never points this out to Emma or anyone as proof that he's not delusional is beyond me.
</OL>Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07130370980787749356noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1453262341823155039.post-68808233144738540352012-01-18T14:37:00.000-05:002012-01-18T14:40:03.892-05:00Thoughts on "True North"<P>It would appear that Emma is actually stupid.</P>
<P>She <I>knows</I> she has a terrible enemy (Regina) who has proven <I>multiple</I> times that she is only too willing and able to dig up shit about Emma's past and spread it far and wide, regardless of the emotional cost to Henry. So how can Emma <I><B>POSSIBLY</B></I> think that her lie to Henry about Henry's biodad isn't going to come to light one day and destroy Henry's trust in her. Really? <I>REALLY?!?</I> Seriously, how hard is it to look the kid in the eye and tell him the truth: "Henry, I'm sorry, but although <I>you</I> are a wonderful kid, the truth about your father is very horrible and embarrassing and I'm not going to tell you about it. Maybe years from now I'll be ready to talk about it, but right now I'm not ready, and you are definitely not ready to hear it. Please respect that."</P>
<P>Argh.</P>
<P>Another thing is...she and Henry once again had a conversation about strangers coming in and out of Storybrook. Here, once again, was the perfect and screamingly obvious opportunity to point out to Henry that <I>he</I> was somehow brought to Storybrook as a baby to be Regina's child. (And not only would that make Henry another person who's come into Storybrook from the outside, but, since infants generally can't achieve intercity travel all by themselves, another person had to bring him.) And, once again, Emma did not bring up that salient point. Is this a matter over which the writers are trying to gloss because Henry's arrival in Storybrook is going to be very significant down the road and they don't want to talk about it yet, or do they really think their audience is so stupid that we're going to ignore that gaping chasm of inconsistency?</P>
<P>Verrry interesting that Mary Margaret now knows that Emma's supposed to be her "daughter". I just hope she doesn't let that fact ever slip to Regina. And I wonder what that expression was supposed to convey when she smelled the "Emma" blanket? Did she get a nanosecond glimpse of past life memory, perchance? And I couldn't help wondering whether some day she's going to come across the leftover yarn stored in an old box in her attic, or something.</P>
<P>I also didn't like how the storybook showed Hansel and Gretel looking waaaaay too much like the real Eva and Nicholas. It's supposed to be stylized drawings to allow Storybrook inhabitants to preserve the illusion that it's all fiction. Nearly-photographic illustrations kind of scream "It's real! It's real!" way too much.</P>
<P>I do like that Emma has brought another happy ending into the town. Little by little, the curse crumbles. Of course, the big happy ending (Snow White and Prince Charming) has yet to happen, but I suspect that story is such a huge deal that its happy resolution will be the end of the curse and, therefore, the conclusion of the entire show. Looks like we will progress on that storyline a bit next week, though.</P>Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07130370980787749356noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1453262341823155039.post-3383896831721705742011-12-14T22:18:00.000-05:002011-12-14T22:35:36.239-05:00In the beginning...<P>So I was intrigued by the trailers for "Once Upon a Time" that ran over the summer, started watching the show, and am really enjoying it. I've also discovered that I'm fairly decent at predicting some things, and am having fun trying to keep track of the details of all the different characters' backstories. So I thought, what the heck, why not blog about it all.</P>
<P>So two shows ago ("That Still Small Voice"), it was revealed for the first time that all this fairyland/curse stuff is real, and not just a figment of Henry's imagination. Prior to this, it was entirely possible that the fairyland stories we were being shown were just coming out of either the book, or Henry's head. However, right at the end of the episode, we were shown that the fairy world really is there underneath the real world: when Regina dropped the shard of glass down the mine shaft and it landed next to Snow White's glass coffin.</P>
<P>This past show ("The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter"), it was revealed for the first time that Regina definitely knows about the curse and her past fairytale life as the Evil Queen. Her knowing was strongly hinted at numerous times in previous episodes (and I was of the opinion that she did know), but her pushing aside the tomb lid in the real world and going down into the vault so she could grind Graham's heart into dust made it pretty obvious that the curse doesn't affect <EM>her</EM> memory.</P>
<P>The preview for next week's show ("Desperate Souls") shows Mr. Gold (<EM>not</EM> Rumpelstiltskin) decked out in medievalish garb and trying to work magical summoning spells (and also spinning at a wheel), so it looks like my opinion that Mr. Gold has also retained his memories might be proven correct.</P>
<P>Next week's preview also begs the question of <EM>why</EM> Mr. Gold would dress up in medievalish garb and engage in spinning and witchery; it'll be interesting to see that question answered! Another pertinent question about Mr. Gold is what the hell he's doing "gardening" in the middle of the woods, with nothing but a spade, wearing a three piece suit, with only an apron to protect the nice threads. It's also bizarre that Graham, local law enforcement head honcho, didn't twig at all that such behaviour might be strange and worth investigating. As a real world cop, wouldn't your first assumption be that Mr. Gold was burying a body? I say hell yes. However, as someone in the know about the characters' fairyland pasts, I'd say another possibility was that he was planting magic beans.</P>
<P>I'm still on the fence as to what Rumpelstiltskin/Mr. Gold's motivations are in this situation; whether he wants to get back to fairyland or whether he's quite content to stay rich and powerful in the real world. After all, with the exception of the imprisonment he was experiencing toward the end of the fairyland era, he seemed to be sitting quite pretty in the fairy world. He's an extremely mysterious character and I'm really not sure what his ultimate goals are. It's easy to theorize that he's only in it for his own gain, but I suspect as more information about his past is revealed, we'll find that there's more to him than that. For instance, he seemed genuinely sad when he was telling David the origins of the windmill in his shop. And I'm really curious to know what the deal is with his baby obsession.</P>
<P>The preview for next week also hints that we'll be seeing more of the Prince James/Snow White backstory, and Hansel and Gretel. In the real world, following what certainly appears to be Graham's death from this week, Emma tries to take over as the sheriff, and Regina (duh) tries to stop her. There also appears to be a clash between Regina and Mr. Gold, plus an explosion/fire in some kind of house that's undergoing construction or renovation, just as Emma and Regina are in it. Regina's panicked "I can't move, you have to help me!" suggests that she's been paralyzed by the blast? Either that or her legs are buried by rubble and she can't get out by herself.</P>
<P>This week's show also gave us a bit more information about the Evil Queen's overdeveloped sense of vengeance. In previous shows it was revealed that she used to have a shot at love, but it was somehow "lost". According to the conversation that the Evil Queen had with Maleficent in "The Thing You Love Most", that happened when the Evil Queen was about the same age as Snow White was when she married Prince James. Assuming very roughly that the Evil Queen is 35ish and Snow White is 20ish, that gives us a timeline of 15 years prior to The Curse that the Evil Queen lost this "love".</P>
<P>Now, based on how vague the dialogue has always been about this "love", I think we are <EM>meant</EM> to assume that it is of the "twu" (i.e. romantic) variety, but that is never actually said outright. So I'm not ruling out the possibility that this "love" was for someone else, such as a child. In multiple episodes, we are shown that the Evil Queen blames Snow White for whatever horrible thing happened in the Evil Queen's past, which is, I'm assuming (although that could of course be wrong) the loss of this "love". We don't have many details of how this came about, but it's slowly becoming clearer. In the "Snow falls" episode, Snow White freely admits to Prince James that she is indeed responsible (although from her expression, I'm sure there's a s**tload that she's not saying about that point). In this week's episode, Snow White's letter reads "I undertand that you will never have love in your life because of me." In this week's episode, the Evil Queen refers to Snow White's father's death as "One down, one to go," which implies that he was also responsible for whatever wrong was done to the Evil Queen. (This also puts paid to the theories I've seen from others that Snow White's father was the Evil Queen's "love".) And, most specifically, the Evil Queen revealed to The Huntsman this week that "I shared a secret with her, and she couldn't keep it. And that betrayal cost me dearly." (Of course it is always possible that the Evil Queen was just lying there, but I don't think it's a stretch to assume that she was being honest.)
<P>The thing is, though, that, if my assumptions about the age difference between the Evil Queen and Snow White are correct, whatever Snow White "did" to the Evil Queen was done when she was about five, give or take. What could she possibly have done at that point?</P>
<P>Yep, I'm quite curious about that particular backstory.</P>
<P>Incidentally, here is the text of Snow White's letter of farewell to the Evil Queen:</P>
<P><EM>Dearest Stepmother,<BR>
By the time you read this, I will be dead. I understand that you will never have love in your life because of me. So it's only fitting that I'll be denied that same joy as well. For the sake of the kingdom, I hope my death satisfies your need for revenge, allowing you to rule my father's subjects as they deserve: with compassion, and a gentle hand. I know what you think you're doing is vengeance; I prefer to think of it as sacrifice, for the good of all. With that in mind, I welcome the end. I want you to take my last message to heart. I'm sorry, and I forgive you.</EM></P>
<P>Miscellaneous musings:</P>
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<LI>It's interesting that Snow White is also a person who offers apples. (To the Huntsman, in the woods.)
<LI>I'm sure we'll be seeing Snow White using that MacGyver-esque whistle in a future episode. Maybe it summons the dwarves?
<LI>Once Graham remembered everything about his fairy world life, why the hell was his first reaction to make out with Emma? Shouldn't it have been, "Oh CRAP, the Evil Queen really does have my heart and is an evil beeyotch, let's hightail it back to that vault to stop her before she makes me go into cardiac arrest!"
<LI>How did Prince James manage to get Abigail out of the picture so he could marry Snow White? Obviously with the big fancy shmancy wedding in the castle, he must have had his father's approval (although perhaps his father died, but that would make him "King Charming", which sounds weird); and since Abigail made it into the real world as Catherine, she can't have died. So...how was the engagement broken? Someone pointed out online that in the Midas story, he turns his daughter to gold with his touch. So perhaps that's what happened - Abigail accidentally gets turned to gold so Prince James is free to seek another wife.
<LI>I kind of object to the whole Midas story being brought into the series, though, since it's not a "fairy tale" per se. Does this mean we can also expect to see Medusa? Icarus? Hercules?
<LI>Will Gepetto's parents ever get un-doll-ified?
<LI>Why was Cinderella's skin so orange?
<LI>It's been pointed out that Regina's last name, Mills, may be a hint that her origins in fairyland are that she is the miller's daughter from the Rumpelstiltskin tale. That is a theory that has all kinds of interesting possibilities.
<LI>Now that time is running forward, will there be mayoral elections? If so, will Emma run against Regina, or will she persuade someone else to?
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<P>And that's all I can think of to blather on about for now. Looking forward to the next episode!</P>Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07130370980787749356noreply@blogger.com0